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by jaywalk 1991 days ago
> the biggest attack on the US since 9/11

This is an absolutely disgusting and disgraceful thing to say.

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So you can name a bigger attack on the US that has happened in the last 20 years?

Far fewer lives were lost, but the impact and implications of this are on par.

They're just not even remotely the same thing.

Nothing like 9/11 or the OKC bombing has happened in the last 19 years; full stop.

I have lived in DC my whole life, I hate to see this happening in my city, but we can be honest with ourselves.

This could have led to the public execution of the Vice President and speaker of the house. This came close to being a dramatically worse event.
> This could have led to the public execution of the Vice President and speaker of the house. This came close to being a dramatically worse event.

I remain unconvinced about how close that actually was, nor have I seen a compelling case that it was that close actually made.

Further, before it becomes close to "executing the Vice President", you can bet shots are going to actually be fired. Crowds of rioters behave very differently when gunshots start ringing out.

A single, fatal shot was fired for precisely that reason. And even then, I don't think it was anywhere near "executing the VP" but more like getting too close to the area where the politicians were being kept safe.
> A single, fatal shot was fired for precisely that reason.

The people most imminently in danger in that case, as I understand it, were staff in the Speakers Lobby, not members or the Vice President, who were in the chambers.

But as I understand the timeline, the attack, with defenders just on the other side with guns drawn and prepared to fire, on the doors to at least one of the chambers also were ongoing before members had been evacuated from the floor by another exit, so the incident at the Speakers Lobby came very close to being repeated where members were more immediately at risk.

They were minutes from the Senate floor while Senators were still there.
And until such a thing occurs, most Trump adjacent HN members with continue to play "no true scotsman" with the extremists amongst them.
I am hardly Trump adjacent except, unfortunately, geographically.
No, it is factually correct. They said 'since', not larger than. In the meantime, since 9/11 there have as far as I know it not been any larger attacks within the US on the United States itself. If you know of any then please correct me.
> on the United States itself.

What does "on the United States itself" mean and why does 9/11 meet that standard but not, say, the Pulse nightclub shooting?

The Pulse nightclub is not typically associated with being a seat of government, though I don't doubt that people in government have been seated there.

On 9/11 there was a plan set in motion to crash a plane in to the Capitol, which only failed because of the bravery of the passengers in that plane. Incidentally, the very same Capitol self described 'patriots' broke into and vandalized last week.

> a legitimate 9/11 scale crisis

So what made 9/11 have large scale was the (thwarted) plot to crash into the Capitol and the successful attack on the Pentagon? Not the 2600 killed in the WTC?

This seems like a very twisted reading to compare two not-actually-that-similar events.

Around 4,000 people in the United States died prematurely yesterday due to COVID. 9/11 was a big deal because it attacked America's symbols. It altered the skyline of New York City, took down a side of the Pentagon and almost was able to crash into DC. The attack on January 6th acted in the same way. Yes, they killed fewer people but they attacked heart of America and the symbols of America.
I think you have a reading comprehension problem, but I don't think I'm capable of fixing it. Hint: it revolves around the word 'since'. Best of luck.
The poster claimed this was a "9/11 scale crisis", I think it is not.

Rather than engaging in the reasons for why it might be, you choose to insult my reading comprehension. Take care, and hopefully you can be more charitable to those you encounter in-person.

Perhaps the 2017 Congressional baseball shooting where 24 members were attacked and one nearly died?
Yes, that was definitely bad.
If the statement is false, it should be easy to come up with a counter-example...?