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by harryh 1992 days ago
What you are doing here is a classic Gish Gallop.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gish_gallop

You're presenting a large number of unsourced claims with weak or non existent evidence that take time and effort to track down and debunk. In these sorts of situations the burden of proof is on the accuser and you aren't even close to that standard.

Let's just pick "video showing dead people voting" from above. It ignores the fact that two different people can have the same name. And often this happens in the same family with people living at the same address. In an election with over 150M votes cast, there is every reason to believe there would be plenty of instances of daughters with the same names as their dead mothers casting votes. There's no evidence that this isn't what happened here.

It's also worth noting that Trump and his associates brought a lot of the so called "evidence" to court and were nearly laughed out of court almost every single time.

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Present few evidence - not widespread enough, "okay there were a few irregularities"

Present a large number of evidence - Gish Gallop

unsourced claims - Links and sources speak for themselves, it is not as if I have manufacured them out of thin air.

> burden of proof is on the accuser and you aren't even close to that standard

If me presenting over a thousand links with lets say 90% weak evidence doesnt come close to a standard I dont know what will.

> It's also worth noting that Trump and his associates brought a lot of the so called "evidence" to court and were nearly laughed out of court almost every single time.

You are right about this one. Though as far as I know, were not dismissed on the matter of the evidence itslef but on precedent, issues regarding the timing and other matters.

It's not a Gish Gallop because you've presented "a large number of evidence". It's a Gish Gallop because you've presented a large number of claims (you called out 4 specifically) each of which has extremely thin evidence and, in fact, when someone takes the time to investigate it, it's fairly easily debunked.

I already did #2.

For #1 this is information on Wikipedia about how the underlying data used by the professor was not sufficient to support his conclusions.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steven_J._Miller#2020_Election

For #3 here is a reuters post debunking the assertion:

https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-factcheck-oklahoma/fact-c...

For #4 here is a post from some Georgia press (the assertion was about fraud in Georgia) debunking the assertions:

https://www.11alive.com/article/news/politics/elections/fact...