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by ModernMech 1993 days ago
You have to pay more attention to what both sides were arguing.

In 2016, side A was arguing that the inputs to the election (voter opinions) were manipulated by foreign agents. This claim was 100% proven true by the Mueller report. Whether this actually changed the results of the election is impossible to say (I am of the opinion it was Comey's announcement 11 days before the election which tipped a close election toward Trump). But an effort was made, and that effort was for the benefit of the Trump campaign, and was explicitly supported by the Trump campaign. See: Mueller report Vol I, or Senate Intelligence Committee report on Russian interference in the 2016 United States presidential election (5 volumes).

In 2020, side B was (and still is) arguing that the output of the election (the actual vote total) was changed. This has been shown to be false by repeated recounts, audits, investigations, court cases, etc.

If you think these two scenarios are identical, look a little closer.

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Hilary Clinton used the term "stolen election" throughout the last four years, including 2020. That's not an input, it's an output. People - including the media - called Trump an illegitimate President for 4 years. That's not an input, it's an output. Perhaps you should be the one paying more attention instead of getting defensive when your hypocrisy is exposed.

You can try to spin it or rationalize it all you want, both sides are behaving the same.

> both sides are behaving the same.

Literally only one side stormed the capitol during a joint session of congress in an attempt to overthrow the election, so "behaving the same" is stretched pretty far here. By pretending both sides are the same, it would appear you are the one spinning and rationalizing.

I mean, let's not forget that Donald Trump of all people called into question the results of his own win in 2016 by claiming that 3 million people voted illegally, and that people were being bussed to New Hampshire to vote against him. He even formed a commission to investigate this "fraud"! So any impressions that the vote was illegitimate were flamed by the winner himself!