[effable]

I think the point about wars is fair.

However, there's no evidence that the election was crooked - the courts think so too. In addition, the President's moral compass seems to be pointing towards strong arming election officials to provide him the exact number of votes (11,780) that he needs to overturn Georgia, pardoning his former friends and allies and convicted war criminals. And this is just within the last couple of weeks.

[whatthesmack]

> no evidence that the election was crooked - the courts think so too

Haven't all of the cases been thrown out for lack of standing thus far? Doesn't that mean the evidence hasn't even been heard? How can the "courts think so too" if they haven't heard evidence?

Also, it's offensive when people say the election wasn't crooked to people that witnessed its crookedness firsthand. I am one of the many people whose ballot went uncounted.

[cure]

> Also, it's offensive when people say the election wasn't crooked to people that witnessed its crookedness firsthand. I am one of the many people whose ballot went uncounted.

? Please explain how your ballot went uncounted.

[biscotti]

The problem is there's evidence should you choose to see it, constitutional unlawfulness & just cause on an unprecedented scale to at least demand a thorough discovery stage in the courts, which never happened.

The way to kill the fraud narrative is by debating those raising the charge, actually hearing the cases in court instead of tossing them on procedural grounds and allowing full audits, signature matches in Fulton for example.

If you listen to the full phone call from which the carefully picked snippet you refer to was lifted Trumps moral compass seems far better than the shifty and obstructionist Georgia Secretary of State to me - Raffensberger has no explanation for simple charges and whimpers when reminded of the requests he has been actively ignoring [1].

It does not exactly scream "innocent" to anyone with half a conscience. Nor did the threatening and doxxing of children that occured during the certification of the Michigan electors.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/video/politics/audio-trump-be...

[effable]

"The problem is there's evidence should you choose to see it, constitutional unlawfulness & just cause on an unprecedented scale"

Maybe you would want to provide examples of these then?

"The way to kill the fraud narrative is by debating those raising the charge"

I am actually not quite sure that debating the issue will kill the narrative but that's just my opinion.

"actually hearing the cases in court instead of tossing them on procedural grounds"

Frankly I have no comments here. What real evidence of fraud is there?

"Trumps moral compass seems far better than the shifty and obstructionist Georgia Secretary of State"

I never commented on the Georgia Secretary of State's conduct and frankly, that's not under review. If the President had just asked for the review of votes, that would be fine. Instead, we received the exact number of votes that he needed, statements to the tunes of: 'Fellas, what are we gonna do here? I only need 11,000 votes' and to do 'the review with people who want to find solutions but not with those who do not want solutions' or something to that effect. Claiming that someone stuffed ballot boxes does not constitute evidence.

Furthermore, this does not change my comments about the pardons either but that's not really the point under discussion.