[slg]

And we got to the heart of the issue. The problem for these people isn't immigrants. It is the "wrong" immigrants.

A first generation American is no less American than a 4th generation American and an overwhelming majority of us are the children of immigrants if you go back far enough.

[niyrjczs]

They are certainly the "wrong" immigrants if you don't want immigrants that will vote for Democrats.

I'm not sure what your point is in arguing that all Americans are equally American, whatever that means.

[slg]

Because there are so many dog whistles used when talking about this issue that usually are just a stand-in for racism.

These accusations are belittling and removing agency from people on multiple levels by saying democrats import immigrants, that immigrants who become citizens shouldn't have a say in how this country is governed, and that immigrants vote for democrats for any reason beyond their political policies.

[niyrjczs]

How does it remove agency from Democrats to suggest that their party supports immigration of certain demographics for their own political benefit?

How does it remove agency from immigrants to point out that, as a group, they have tended to vote for one party over another, and to speculate that said tendency will continue in the future?

I'm not really understanding your point, I think.

[nemothekid]

Why is easier to believe that Democrats have somehow coerced millions of immigrant (children) into voting democrat, and not the much simpler reasoning that immigrants vote democrat because republicans are quite openly anti-immigrant?

The idea that democrats are somehow acting nefariously for adjusting their policy to meet the demands of the citizenry is sounds completely asinine? What do you think democracy is? Republicans lost because they have bad policy. Complaining that the winning side acted in bad faith for listening to their citizenry is anti-democratic. If you think citizens shouldn't be listened to, then why not just skip to authoritarianism?

[niyrjczs]

>Why is easier to believe that Democrats have somehow coerced millions of immigrant (children) into voting democrat, and not the much simpler reasoning that immigrants vote democrat because republicans are quite openly anti-immigrant?

I'm not sure who or what you are arguing against. I haven't seen anyone suggest immigrants were coerced in any way, or that they vote democrat for any reason other than preferring their policies.

>The idea that democrats are somehow acting nefariously for adjusting their policy to meet the demands of the citizenry is sounds completely asinine?

The "nefarious" behavior alleged in this comment thread is bringing in immigrants because they know they'll vote overwhelmingly democrat once they can vote (and same goes for their children, who would not have been born in the US if their parents had not been allowed in).

[slg]

I didn’t say it removed agency from Democrats. It removes agency from immigrants because it treats them as reactionary pawns that don’t have any power in making decisions about their own lives and simply follow the whims of the Democratic Party.

[niyrjczs]

That doesn't make any sense to me. Does it remove agency from people to note how demographics vote? Those people can be making their own decisions about which party is better for them, but still overwhelmingly pick one party, and it seems fine to me to point that out.