[forserious]

This comment is why having this discussion is so difficult.

To anyone not invested emotionally in this conversation, it's clear that your point isn't making a valid point. They are not equivalent actions.

You're pretending they are to try to lend cover to the truly harmful action that just took place.

We can call a spade a spade without pretending that everything else is also a spade.

To be clear, I am directly saying that you are arguing in bad faith.

I hope it is clear that this is not an attack on you as a person. I am attacking your idea directly, not you.

[CyberRabbi]

How are they not equivalent? Both were organized protests intended on occupying the capitol for the sake of airing out their political grievances. What truly harmful action took place that was caused by the protestors? Be specific.

The only difference that in can see is that during the 1/6/21 event, the police were called in. They attacked and killed 4 protestors.

[seppin]

Maybe you don't know that 60 Capital Police were seriously injured, 15 remain in the hospital, and one is confirmed dead from the attack.

Maybe you don't know that of the 4 rioters that died, one had a heart attack (unconfirmed), one was shot and the others were trampled (by the mob).

Maybe you didn't know that congresspeople from both sides of the isle hid in closets and under desks, terrified and afraid for their lives.

Maybe you just didn't know these things, and got them wrong. But when confronted with them, you aren't going to say "oh sorry I was mistaken." You will respond with whataboutism and other deflection, to preserve your worldview that this wasn't a mob and Trump didn't do anything wrong, etc.

Which was OP's point. This isn't a good faith discussion. You are either ignorant of the truth (and will respond poorly when confronted with it), or you know the truth and are cynically lying about reality to win a rhetorical game.

This is the nature of all bad faith political discussion, which is why I (try to) avoid it all together.

[CyberRabbi]

You’re making a lot of assumptions about me for someone claiming I’m arguing in bad faith.

Maybe you don’t know that the police officer who died, died as a result of a blood clot. Not as a direct result of any action by the protestors.

Those police were doing crowd control. If they were not deployed there would have been no on-duty injuries. Was law enforcement deployed on the women’s March protestors?

[seppin]

> Those police were doing crowd control. If they were not deployed there would have been no on-duty injuries.

"The Bank security guard would have never been hurt if they just let people steal the money and take hostages."

> Maybe you don’t know that the police officer who died, died as a result of a blood clot.

This is beyond bad faith, this is insulting. And i'm not going to participate anymore. I just hope people like you die out before this country is irrevocably harmed, and your children don't carry your sickness to a new generation.

[CyberRabbi]

> "The Bank security guard would have never been hurt if they just let people steal the money and take hostages."

can you explain this analogy? What are you assuming the protestors would have done if the police weren’t deployed?

> I just hope people like you die out before this country is irrevocably harmed, and your children don't carry your sickness to a new generation.

This is a pretty radical statement. I’m actually a center left liberal and you’re wishing that I die simply because of a fact I brought up that refutes your narrative. Can you substantiate your claims that I’m causing harm to this country by citing facts? How did you get this radicalized?

[seppin]

I regret spending even a moment interacting with you.

[seppin]

> I am attacking your idea directly, not you.

This is why I don't talk politics, ever. You simply cannot attack a person's idea in politics, because their ideas are their identity. They will respond with the ferocity in which they would if someone were to physically attack them. While noble of you to try, it will fail. Every time.