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by al_chemist 1982 days ago
> Calling thousands of supporters to go to the capitol and telling them "you'll never take back our country with weakness. You have to show strength and you have to be strong." is a very precise call to violence.

"Kill them", "Attack them", "Burn down that building" is a very precise call to violence. "You have to be strong" is not. "You have to show strength" is not.

#KillAllMen on the other hand is a very precise call to violence, and yet nobody cares about banning that on social media.
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skulk 1982 days ago
It's a good thing our court system in the US doesn't play these games with semantics and instead tries to understand intent. You can use however many layers of coded language you want, but your intent still exists.

This goes the other way too, with obviously satirical hashtags.

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NE2z2T9qi 1982 days ago
Yeah, what could go wrong with courts analyzing for subtext and divining intent of free speech to see if secret crimes were being committed? I continue to be stunned by how utterly naive and blasé people are about freedom of expression.
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skulk 1981 days ago
> secret crime

Sorry, I forgot 18 U.S. Code § 2383 hasn't been declassified yet. [/snark]

It's not clear at all what your point is. Are you a freedom of speech absolutist? Do you not believe in due process?

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tshaddox 1982 days ago
I'm not familiar with #KillAllMen, but it sounds rhetorical, and even if it's not, it doesn't appear to meet the US standard of "imminent lawless action." Speech can only be limited if the speaker intends for it to incite violence, and that the violence is both imminent and likely. You can literally intend to incite violence at some unspecified future time and that speech is protected. You can also just tweet out incitement for violence at a specific time and it's probably protected if you're a random person with no following or influence that is likely to cause the violence to actually happen.
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archagon 1982 days ago
> #KillAllMen on the other hand is a very precise call to violence, and yet nobody cares about banning that on social media.

...are you quite serious? Has a single person in the world taken this as an actual call to action?

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arolihas 1982 days ago
Either he’s serious and just deluded, or he’s acting in bad faith. In both cases you just shake your head and move on because no minds will be changed.
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sailingparrot 1982 days ago
> "You have to be strong" is not. "You have to show strength" is not.

It is, in the context of the events from the past few weeks. Some of his supporters had been saying for weeks now that they were "standing by" and ready to do "what had to be done" when Trump would call to them. His speech yesterday was predicably heard as the call.

I don't believe for 1 second that he didn't intended for his words to be interpreted that way.

And for the record, #KillAllWhatever should be banned as well in my book, I'm not defending it.

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al_chemist 1982 days ago
> #KillAllWhatever should be banned as well in my book, I'm not defending it.

Thank you.

> It is, in the context of the events from the past few weeks

If something is "very precise" in context, then it is not precise. If we have to interpret words, then we have multiple interpretations and everybody can have their own truth. You can't say something is "a very precise call to violence" because of some people may interpret it their way.

His tweet (https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/13469127807005777...) is very precise. "I am asking for everyone at the U.S. Capitol to remain peaceful. No violence!"

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arolihas 1982 days ago
So the tweet that wasn’t taken down is the one that isn’t a call to violence. Good to know.
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