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by lmilcin 1996 days ago
We are probably living in two different worlds. There is reality and there is the world you live in.

In real world it is not the restrictions that save lives, it is people following them. If people ignore restrictions it doesn't matter whether they were or were not tightened.

Actually, if people were sane we would not need restrictions. Everybody would wash their hands, avoid touching their face, wear their mask properly (ie. not faking wearing the mask) and avoid physical contact with other people unless necessary. And all research suggests that would be enough to deal with the virus.

The fact is that Christmas in almost every country resulted in mass movement of people that just have to go and meet their families. And it doesn't matter for what reason it happened, it is just a fact.

So, regardless of whether there were or were not tightened restrictions, there is going to be an inevitable increase in cases.

2 comments

I am afraid I don't understand your point, are you saying London did in fact loosen it's lockdown over Christmas?
The point is that it's absolutely irrelevant if the lockdown was loosened or tightened, if UK entered tier 4, 5 or 127. The indisputable fact is that millions of people travelled on Christmas day to visit friends and families, allowing the virus to spread. For a large number of those, such a visit was simply not possible just a day before because they were already in Tier 3 where meeting people inside was not allowed. So yes, Christmas day was a significant "loosening" of restrictions for those people.
Rules kept getting stricter on paper but none were really enforced in the real world
I am afraid I don't understand your point

I don't think you're trying very hard, the comment was pretty clear. But in case you are truly confused, no, that is not what parent was saying.

it was made it more strict on Christmas Eve.
What matters is if people follow lockdowns. Are people getting fatigued? Starting to resist where before they complied?
Following your nonsensical logic there would be no difference in covid cases between states or nations. Obviously this is not true.

It is absolutely the government’s job to enact policy to slow the spread of deadly disease. It is also the job of governing leaders to encourage and educate citizens on how and why they should comply with these policies. This is where the USA is failing miserably.

We could discuss the tradeoffs and the details, that’s fair, but it’s totally irresponsible of you to say that this massive spike in cases was ‘inevitable’.

No he could be right: the covid is better handled in places were people are more careful, which explains the difference between countries. In fact there is less deaths in countries with less or no restrictions (Taiwan, South Korea, Japan) than the ones who heavily locked down their population (Europe) which tends to prove the point.
The specific argument was that people didn't change their behaviour enough. The inevitable consequence being more cases. Inevitable as in "can't change it anymore, the cases are rolling in."

I don't see how you arrived at your reading.

Every nation spends their Christmas differently. And the rise in cases will also heavily depend on what was done by the government before the Christmas, so no, not every country will see exact same increase in cases.