[jacquesm]

Can we agree on a number then?

[CivBase]

I'd consider it a coup if there were an organized group with a remotely plausible plan for overthrowing the government.

[jacquesm]

Then we should be happy that they weren't a little bit more organized because then you might be looking at your elected officials as hostages. At this point in time their lack of ability should be counted down to luck, and nothing else.

[CivBase]

I agree that it's a good thing they weren't more organized. All riots would be more dangerous if they were more organized.

Not sure what to make of the "luck" comment. I suppose we're always lucky that bad things aren't worse than they end up being.

[jacquesm]

You're well into a utilitarian definition of planning, if it succeeds then it was planned if it doesn't then it wasn't.

The luck is assigned to all of us, including the idiots that tried this.