[tristanj]

> Meanwhile, I can't remember a covert operation done by China

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_cyberwarfare

Major incidents include the 2010 Google gmail hack, the F-35 blueprints hack, multiple military contractor breaches, the 2015 OPM hack which the leaked the details of most FBI/CIA agents worldwide, and the 2017 Equifax hack which stole information on 145 million Americans.

[tehwebguy]

As for the F-35 blueprints, they can have them!

[trasz]

So basically a minor fraction of NSA’s surveillance.

[fouric]

False. The NSA has never been shown to (or even suspected of) commit intellectual property theft, which is what several of the above incidents are.

[trasz]

So the incidents described in eg https://www.spiegel.de/international/germany/german-intellig... (40 thousand breach attempts related to industrial espionage, in a single case in Germany) never happened?

[fouric]

Please show what the actual accusations of espionage are in that article - because I don't see any.

[trasz]

„ At the BND, the project group charged with supporting the parliamentary investigative committee once again looked at the NSA selectors. In the end, they discovered fully 40,000 suspicious search parameters, including espionage targets in Western European governments and numerous companies.”

There’s more of course, but... have you actually read that article?

[asiando]

That’s just because there’s no Chinese Snowden yet. What do you know about surveillance in Asia? If you’re here speaking English I reckon you know nothing.

[trasz]

Perhaps. But that’s just speculation, while for NSA there are solid proofs.

[kube-system]

There are tons of well documented cases of China straight up mass MITMing their citizen's traffic. And this is legally authorized under their law.

In 2014 they MITM'd iCloud. In 2018 they simply required Apple to hand over iCloud to a local state-owned company. Apple no longer controls iCloud in China, the Guizhou government does.

I don't think the surveillance in China is even remotely comparable to anything that has ever happened in the US.

[trasz]

Same as in any other country, in particular USA - is there any western country without lawful interception laws?

The difference is, China doesn't seem to be spying on the rest of the world, while NSA is documented to be doing so.