[will4274]

Imagine being a programmer in Israel and hearing that the leader of a neighboring country wants to kill you and everybody you know.

We're not unaware of the impact of sanctions. Fundamentally, starving a generation of Iranians of information and experience is worth it if leads to civil unrest and regime change, therefore preventing Iran's current leaders from committing the genocide they've said they want to commit so many times.

[cutemonster]

> starving a generation of Iranians of information and experience is worth it if leads to civil unrest and regime change

I'm afraid you're mistaken, and that removing knowledge from people just makes the regime stronger.

Instead, providing the people in Iran with more knowledge and education would make even more people oppose the dictatorship, I'd think.

Not nuclear physics though, but GitHub yes sure.

[mleonhard]

Israel is starving several generations of Palestinians of opportunity and experience [0], resulting in civil unrest. Israel could de-escalate its tensions with its neighbors (including Iran) at any time. It just needs to start treating its neighbors with respect.

Unfortunately, peace in the Middle-East would shift political power in all countries involved, shift government spending, reduce military aid from superpowers [1], and reduce the importance of the countries to the superpowers. A lot of power and money is trying to prevent that from happening.

You don't need to play along with those powerful people. They don't want to help you. Lasting peace would help you and your descendants much more than continuing the current situation.

[0] https://www.btselem.org

[1] https://explorer.usaid.gov

[will4274]

What does Israel's conflict in Palestine have to do with Iran? The Ayatollah doesn't care about Palestinians.

Saying that Israel could resolve the issue by de-escalating is nonsense, as much as saying the same thing about North and South Korea. One side has leaders intent on acquiring nuclear weapons and publicly claims it will use them against its neighbors.

[mleonhard]

The analogy to North Korea is quite appropriate. Each superpower supports its vassal states and ignores their brutality.

USA : Israel : Palestinians :: PRC : North Korean Dictatorship : North Korean People

[rabite]

Imagine being almost any other religion in the Middle East and learning that Israelis on a day to day basis are lobbying to carve your countries apart by imperialist wars via their American proxies, bulldozing the homes of your coethnics in Palestine, raping their children, forcibly hijacking their TVs and exposing their kids to pornographic broadcasts, organizing a famine in Syria by their Kurdish proxies, and occupying their homelands. It was only in 2006 that Shiites and the SSNP finally kicked them out of South Lebanon, where they regularly committed war atrocities. Add to this the historical genocides that the nation of Israel completed and rejoice in within their scriptures -- the Ammonites, the Moabites, the Jebusites, the Canaanites (the assault on which happened the day after the Israelites convinced them to get circumcized, then went door to door killing them while their dicks hurt) are all tribes that were completely physically wiped out by the Israelites.

This argument should apply to Israel, which is the biggest per capita committer of genocide, land theft, rape, and fraud in the entire world. The entire history of Israel is one of genocide, from the ancient world to today. We need BDS now and a just society would absolutely shun your nation until they respect human rights.

[will4274]

There's a lot in your post that's wrong and this comment won't allow me to correct all of it. Grabbing two:

- the Arab nations don't consider themselves kin (or "coethnics" whatever that means) with the Palestinians. When Jordan and Egypt controlled the Palestinian territory, they treated the Palestinians worse then Israeli does today.

- the groups that commit the vast majority of rape (per capita or otherwise) in the middle east are not Israeli. In most of the Muslim countries, it's legal to rape your wife. In some of them (such as Iran), men execute their daughters for being raped by their neighbors. One well known group (ISIS) was really into rape - and so Iran gave them money so they could rape more.

If what you care about is rape, murder, and genocide, you're against Iran 100x as much as you're against Israel.

[rabite]

The Arab nations absolutely consider themselves kin with Palestinians. Pan-Arabism, Baathism (the ruling philosophy of Syria, which Palestine is a part of), and the Greater Syria of the SSNP are all extremely popular Arab world ideologies which include Palestinians in a framework of all Arab peoples. Your statement is extremely incorrect, and I find it extremely unlikely that someone who lived in the Levant would not know this.

Domestic disputes are also not like a foreign army arresting young children and raping them.

[denton-scratch]

"Syria, which Palestine is a part of"

What an extraordinary claim. It demands an explanation. There is no part of Palestine in which Syrian law runs. There are no Syrian cops or troops in Palestine. There are no Syrian government offices in Palestine.

[rabite]

Throughout all of history Palestine was a part of Syria.

From the "Syria Palaestina" of Roman times all through the Rashidun, Umayyad, Abbasid, and Fatimid Caliphates, the Ayyubid dynasty, and the Mamluk Sultanate, the borders of Syria have nearly always encompassed all of what is described as Palestinian territories today, with a special exception made either for the occupation of Jerusalem by the Christian First Crusade or in the 19th century the Jerusalem Mutasarrifate of Jerusalem was split away into a special region given legal autonomy as a city-state, much like Vatican City.

All through this time, for thousands of years up through the Ottoman era, the borders of Syria included what are now described as the Palestinian territories. You can see them on a map here:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ottoman_Syria

You can also check maps available on Wikipedia for the historical borders of Syria during the Caliphates, which have always encompassed Palestine.

Palestine was never an independent nation at any point in history. It was always a part of Syria, and Syria today considers it Syrian temporarily-occupied territory stolen by Western-sponsored violence and terrorism.

[denton-scratch]

So: "Palestine WAS a part of Syria", ergo "Palestine IS part of Syria"?

Sounds like: "Palestine was inhabited by Jews", ergo "Israel is entitled to the whole of Palestine".

I evidently have a defective logic board. I'd better check myself in for servicing.

[a1369209993]

> Add to this the historical genocides that the nation of Israel completed and rejoice in within their scriptures

You do realize that the bulk of "other religions" in the Middle East (namely Islam) - and, for that matter, the US (namely Christianity) - are derived from those same scriptures and rejoice in those same genocides (and have happily added to them over the past couple millennia, of course), right? There's no moral high ground on either side of this mess.