[buran77]

While superficially a good idea, it would probably punish shareholders more than the actual perpetrators and would most likely lead to a far lower performing company, so a weaker economy. How many state run companies do you know are performing great?

Tesla may do any number of shady or illegal things but without Musk and his vested interest in the company it would probably be a footnote in some corporate obituary.

[8note]

The shareholders are the right people to hold accountable though.

Otherwise you incentivize hiring fall guys to do a crime and go to prison, while the shareholders profit off of their crimes

[buran77]

Because there are many investors that have no input in day to day operations or simply had no influence or knowledge of the particular offenses. If the state takes over they will certainly have to take a huge loss.

Take your bank as an example. You gave them the money they used to commit whatever illegality and you profited from it. Now imagine the state takes over and only pays you a fraction of your deposits.

Worse yet, it incentivizes the shareholders to try to keep things hidden where today they would likely sue the company or CEO.

[8note]

The investors have plenty of input. They don't have to own any of that stock, and can choose to own stuff where they do have control. Knowing is their responsibility. If they want to shirk it, sure, but that doesn't mean they aren't on the hook for what they should have done, which is to have control over what their money is doing.

Otherwise the argument "companies need free speech and rights because they're just extensions of the owners few speech and rights" makes no sense, because the owners have no actual say in what's going on

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Why would investors sue the ceo when nothing bad will happen to them? How do they even have standing when the ceo does wrong if shareholders are indemnified?

In this banking example, it would be my fault for picking a poor quality bank? I'd also expect that the fine isn't going to be that much more than double the profits I made, so maybe $100-$1000? It's not like im making much money on my savings in a bank.

[newen]

Why? It’s not like shareholders are the ones doing the work inside the company.

[buran77]

Not sure "why what" but I made 2 points:

- The shareholders shouldn't necessarily be held responsible because most have no input or knowledge when it comes to any shady business.

- The company would perform worse because without the drive for profit (and whatever gray means they use to achieve them) that most private entrepreneurs have, the company would almost definitely perform worse. Privatized companies usually run better because the state might be a good minority shareholder but not the best when it comes to driving a company.

[xwdv]

Because the company’s growth story which much of the high valuation is built on is instantly eliminated, sending prices plummeting while the people working inside the company just go on to get new jobs somewhere and make more money.