[jskell725]

You state that "the union seeks out what the membership wants" and I note ( to no argument) that this surely only happens sometimes. Other times they seek other things; perhaps not to the benefit of their workers.

I'm not sure all teachers like the fact that seniority is king, and I'm also not sure that it is in fact a Net Benefit to teachers as a whole.

This doesn't make unions not worth pursuing; it just means that we should be appropriately skeptical and not make blanket statements about how they surely operate.

[criddell]

> I'm not sure all teachers like the fact that seniority is king

Unions don't require unanimity.

> not make blanket statements

Do I really need to add modifiers to everything I say to indicate that I'm not speaking in absolutes?

[jskell725]

>Do I really need to add modifiers to everything I say to indicate that I'm not speaking in absolutes?

Fair and I do try not to do this wantonly. Here I feel that your gp argument breaks down in the absence of such an absolute. If indeed, we cannot prima facie trust that unions work in their members ( and their students') best interest; why shouldn't we use the troubles of unionized education ( or unionized policing...) as a caution against a possible bad outcome?

Perhaps I misunderstood; and this has just been another internet argument for the wind .