[danans]

> It's still a social construct - all the laws, even nations, are social constructs.

So? Social constructs have a lot of teeth in the real world, and always have. Wishing them away won't have any effect.

> I'm saying there should be no special benefits for employees

So are you arguing that those benefits (i.e. health insurance) should be universal? Or are you making the argument that only those in a position to pay should have access to those things?

[antisoeu]

"Wishing them away won't have any effect."

Laws and social constructs can be changed.

As for health insurance (as an example), how do you justify giving health insurance to employees, but not to other people, like self-employed people?

[arcticbull]

I don't which is why I support socialized single-payer medicine.

However, to address your question more directly, contractors are employees as well. It's not the job site's responsibility to provide health insurance, it's their employers. Contractors still have employers, you know.

[danans]

> Contractors still have employers, you know.

This is true for vendors, but direct 1099 contractors are self employed.

[arcticbull]

I would argue that they still have an employer, themselves, who is responsible for providing that health insurance.

[danans]

Actually, your point reminded me that a great many employees don't receive health insurance through their employer. Those people are disproportionately low wage workers. Before Obamacare, they had no option but the very expensive individual health insurance market.

[antisoeu]

That's nonsense.

In your terms then, just let everybody be self-employed and contract them, rather than employ them. That's the same result I want, that people are responsible for themselves and making a contract with somebody to do some work for you doesn't come with any additional baggage. Just plain money for work.

[Apocryphon]

That would be doable if the U.S. had a robust social safety net for all these contract workers, namely health insurance for those in between jobs. Right now relying on employers for insurance has been a terrible hassle.

[arcticbull]

I'd actually be okay with that if there was a robust social safety net, yeah.