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by strogonoff 1999 days ago
> I’d like to see an actual technical write up of this: network logs, tracing of the android device activity etc.

FWIW there’s a technical paper[0] that summarizes existing studies as of 2019, and it’s been neither definitively proven nor disproven that it happens. Turns out it’s not at all that trivial to detect.

From the paper:

> Perhaps most importantly, Pan et al. were not able to rule out the scenario of apps transforming audio recordings into less detectable text transcripts or audio fingerprints before sending the information out. This would be a very realistic attack scenario. In fact, various popular apps are known to compress recorded audio in such a way [10, 33]. While all the choices that Pan et al. made regarding their experimental setup and methodology are completely understandable and were communicated transparently, the limitations do limit the significance of their findings. All in all, their approach would only uncover highly unsophisticated eavesdropping attempts. …

> Therefore, the fact that no evidence for large-scale mobile eavesdropping has been found so far should not be interpreted as an all-clear. It could only mean that it is difficult – under current circumstances perhaps even impossible – to detect such attacks effectively.

(Apparently, noticing relevant content being obviously suggested is the only way of detecting it at this time, and of course it comes with its own caveats.)

[0] https://link.springer.com/chapter/10.1007/978-3-030-22479-0_...

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Well, I'm fairly confident that there'd be a lot of online noise about the iPhone's orange dot being on all the time, the way there was about Clipboard notifications.
I wonder if there is an equivalent of the orange dot on Android.

For sure, it’s an arms race between ecosystem’s root vendor and app developers, but the possibility of vendor itself using some privileged APIs that do not provide visual feedback is also a concern.