[gonzo41]

I guess I was replying to him, but meant the general point. As long as people still treat Mac products as something that they want to be apart of they give a free pass to the behavior. Sure, speaking out does something, but not buying Apple tech does more to effect change.

Or maybe it's too late. Apple is so rich and so big, this is just people being ground up in the gears of bureaucracy.

[coldtea]

>I guess I was replying to him, but meant the general point. As long as people still treat Mac products as something that they want to be apart of they give a free pass to the behavior.

That sounds like "if you don't like how this country is run, immigrate elsewhere" - used usually by right wingers.

How about people liking other aspects of the country (or, in this case, liking the OS, the hardware, the ecosystem, and so on) and considering them worth staying over the alternatives? Should they move to what they consider a sub-par platform to "make a point" about some App Store policies or some other such thing?

And if most people are fine even with those things (e.g. could not give less fucks how the country is run as long as they're doing ok or don't care about some App Store faults) how is small scale immigration/skipping platform wont get lost in the noise?

Boycotting companies is only a real tool when there are very heavy issues at stake, and millions of people agree on it, and also they thing there are perfectly fine alternatives for their use cases. Easy to boycott Nike when there's 100 sneaker brands that will do.

How about improving the country/platform in other ways? Including publishing opinions, pressure groups, shaming when necessary, and so on.

[gonzo41]

>How about improving the country/platform in other ways? Including publishing opinions, pressure groups, shaming when necessary, and so on.

All of those are optional for Apple to consider, not giving them money sends a signal they won't ignore.

[coldtea]

This argument is already covered, let me re-iterate clearer:

(a) this just sends a fuzzy signal they can easily ignore

(b) for the signal to not be fuzzy needs the coordination of millions (good luck)

(c) those millions will also hurt themselves in the process, assuming they otherwise like the platform and prefer using it over others, their complaints about it aside (e.g. I needs people to go like: "Yeah, sure, lemme change the OS and hardware I love because the App Store is not managed well or there's this or that other flow, great idea, that will show them!") [1]

(d) ...and even then the signal will still be fuzzy enough ("Hmm, many people left the platform. Was it because we don't have enough color options for our laptops or because we mistreated some app developers?").

[1] Obviously people who have major qualms with Apple (as opposed to minor) would easily leave/have already left. But those are not the majority of people using and liking Apple products that gives the company top satisfaction ratings every year for example. Those would be those that dislike Apple or its current product line, not those that merely want to punish it for this or that issue (e.g. App Store policies).