[mttyng]

I really like this breakdown, and I’ve employed it (to some extent) with various people. In my experience, however, it’s not so much that it worked with them; rather, they found the discussion frustrating and became despondent only within the conversation between myself and them. In other words, I didn’t so much change their mind as help them decide to not engage me on whatever particular topic.

I find that incredibly frustrating. Maybe I’ve rubber-ducked myself into realizing I’m not doing something right.

[BeetleB]

In my experience, it works if people accept the two conditions as reasonable before the discussion starts. At the outset, the conditions are fairly reasonable. Yes, it's a trap, but a reasonable trap.

BTW, I'm not claiming this changes their mind in the long run. It does provide for a good conversation in the moment, though.