[AntiImperialis4]

Yes, I did read the whole thread.

Nobody is stopping one from voluntarily donating to a non-profit or for-profit organization, or being involved in one for that matter.

In Europe, most people don't work 3 jobs because either it's not legal to do so or those jobs don't exist because of debilitating regulations... or at some point, making more isn't really worth it because of how high the taxes go up.

[Normal_gaussian]

The financial efficiency of a well managed charitable organisation is atrocious compared to state programs. This is largely due to state programs having the capability to actually solve problems.

Eliminating working three jobs is desirable, it isnt debilitating to prevent exploitation of workers, its enabling. Setting a minimum wage and maximum working hours creates a minimum quality of life.

For most people this is desirable. As far as I can see you'd either have to be a sadist, or incredibly obsessed with how well off you are vs others to not want this.

[pidg]

The occasional donation to a non-profit might help people subsist, but it doesn't build a better society with more opportunities for everyone.

Nobody needs an obscene salary for writing code when others are struggling to afford the basics.

As an aside, I remember being really taken aback when I went on holiday to the US and most of the menial jobs were being carried out by Hispanic and Black people. I guess if you are a white American you get inured to it, but as a white European it was kind of creepy and a bit repulsive.

[marcinzm]

Race aside, how is that different than western europe importing eastern europeans to work their menial jobs?

[pidg]

I guess freedom of movement allowing Eastern Europeans to legally live, work and pay tax in Western Europe without jumping through hoops, and immediately being able to benefit from the social systems there.