[LoSboccacc]

2nm tech, and not only just the tech, but the whole fab for it in two-three years?

that how eu is spending 145 billions while allocating 1bn to fighting covid?

[visarga]

> allocating 1bn to fighting covid

No sure what you mean here. Seems like the EU recovery package is €1,824B. Also, in Sept and Oct they allocated €87.9B in financial support.

[LoSboccacc]

the SURE are bonds, not grants, idk why are you putting these on the table, from the tax payer pov bonds are just temporary transfers, it's the grants that will 'disappear'

[scotty79]

I don't mind that at all.

Covid requres just one vaccine and a bit of time and disrupts mostly businesses that produce just human powered entertainment (and health services which is the worst thing about it).

While making the whole new generation of most important machines and landing beyond current cutting edge seem like both pricey and worthwhile endeavor.

[LoSboccacc]

bold to assume any new generation machine will come out of this, meanwhile real business that produced real wealth are closing down.

[zhdc1]

Why? Europe already produces EUV lithography machines, and while I'm not that familiar with the field, I'm pretty sure ASML and TSMC are already working on 2nm lithography.

[LoSboccacc]

TSMC is aiming at 2024 for 2nm, they're the market leader and they reportedly started research back in 2019

https://wccftech.com/tsmc-2nm-research-taiwan/

https://wccftech.com/ssmc-mass-produce-2nm-2024/

now a consortium of runner ups not only hopes to catch up, but plans a parallel release of a new node size, while starting later, while starting with less know how.

[zhdc1]

TSMC purchases their lithography machines from ASML.

https://semiengineering.com/euv-challenges-and-unknowns-at-3...

[scotty79]

> real business that produced real wealth are closing down.

Could you please share some examples? I'm genuinely curious.