[simonh]

I'm sorry you took offense, I didn't mean to be rude. I'm just making a point about logic in general, not "your logic" whatever you mean by that. Fundamental drives and goals are necessarily axiomatic and so cannot be derived logically. Intermediate goals yes, but not base drives and objectives.

[naikrovek]

My "logic" is this: humanity continually makes decisions collectively which harm humanity collectively. We are into self-harm in a major way, and almost no one cares. Those who do care are effectively shunned by others because more money is made by ignoring them and marginalizing their views.

Humanity is a self-destructive mess and deserves to go extinct.