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by nailer 2001 days ago
When he started Microsoft had the most popular OS, web browser and mobile OS. A decade later they lost all three and their market cap barely moved.
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I'm sorry, but their market cap is like 10x in the past decade. Their revenue streams are different now, yes, but they recognized they'd lost the platform with the SaaSification of most things and they wisely moved into other areas. Yes, they could have tried something else that kept them as the winners of the OS game, but vertical integration wasn't really in their bloodstream. Platforming and services were.
>> A decade later (when Ballmer finished) they lost all three and their market cap barely moved.

> their market cap is like 10x in the past decade

Steve Ballmer left 6 years ago. Pick your source regarding Microsoft's market cap while Ballmer was leading:

https://duckduckgo.com/?q=steve+ballmer+market+cap

https://duckduckgo.com/?q=microsoft+lost+decade

Oh, I'm wrong then. I was under the mistaken impression that he was CEO much more recently than that. Thanks for the correction, it appears that you're completely correct about his leadership.

Thanks for updating my view!

one could argue that Windows is the most popular consumer OS even today (keep in mind the HN is not representative for what people normally run).

Also, a decade later, Microsoft is experiencing a software renaissance, in part, due to the the work Ballmer setup. One example: Azure. In the cloud space there are 2 gorillas: AWS and Azure (everything else is vaporware and at this point I don't think it would be wise to bet the farm on GCP or ... Oracle). How did Azure get here? Do you think they decided to do cloud and it happened magically?

Another example: the XBOX. I personally will never but a PS, and I believe XBOX is awesome in this space.

The most popular consumer OS is Android. Arguing anything else goes against all known stats.

Microsoft's renaissance is mainly due to Nadella focusing on software and services instead of selling Windows. You mentioned Xbox as a way to support Ballmer. The Xbox story mentioned in the article does not support Ballmer.

Agreed re Azure but I don't know if Ballmer was still focusing on Windows for Azure, which seems likely. Keep in mind Azure is mostly Linux instances today.

Try to do Office documents for school work on Android.
Office has a native version for Android with apparently over a hundred million downloads.

https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.microsoft....

The point wasn't that it isn't available, and indeed lots of people use it to read documents.

The point was about actually working on documents with a proper level of quality that aspires to good evaluations.

What features of Microsoft Office do you think are missing on mobile that a typical student would be required to use in school?
huh? ms making money on android. shocker
I'm pretty sure Windows at no point lost its thrive as most popular non-mobile OS
Sure but the market moved to mobile. If you cherry pick data of course you can pretend to be right.
The market did not moved to mobile. Mobile is alongside desktop. People like diversity and mobile offered another one. And people who have only mobile in their homes are poor that can't afford desktop but I see mobile as a gateway drug to desktop. Once people will have enough money, will also buy desktop exactly because mobile hooked them in the first place.
The numbers to this point disagree, and I don't think you'll find a lot of support for your prediction of a change in direction.

https://www.broadbandsearch.net/blog/mobile-desktop-internet...

You can't really use percentages to say that something has declined if the whole pie is growing, and web use is maybe the one thing that looks least favorable for desktops.
Ok, here are absolute numbers. PC sales look stagnant at best.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/263393/global-pc-shipmen...

1) Yes mobile moved the market by capturing hundreds of millions of people who would never have owned a computer otherwise, and Microsoft failed to react to this.

2) Do you have any data to back up the claim that mobile usage leads to desktop purchases? I have never heard such a claim before

Given that I see more Windows laptops and 2-1 devices than Android tablets around here, Microsoft has reacted quite well to this.

Additionally given the amount of people that run Office on their phones, in spite of total lack of usability to do such kind of work on those devices, again very good reaction.

The first point is anecdotal at best, the second point is moot since were talking about operating systems.
Windows remains the most popular operating system for computers by far, and that will never change.
Only if you play some jedi mind tricks of your own with the definition of a "computer".
You don't need to change the statement much to make it unequivocally true: just change "computers" to "desktop computers".
Which are nowhere near the most common type of computer, so it's a fairly significant change.
honestly what kind of gymnatics we have to do in order to just accept the fact that

windows is most popular os on desktop/home/work(non-server) PCs?

Sure, if "computer" to you means "laptop or desktop PC".

My smartphone is a computer, which I use at home and work, and it sure as hell doesn't run Windows. Smartphones are a far more significant type of computer in the modern world than laptop or desktop PCs.

Yes and zOS is the most popular OS for mainframes.
I suppose that depends on how all gazillion AWS instances running Linux counts.
AWS instances run Windows too. And MS makes money off those instances. Also, Azure runs Linux too. Microsoft is in the post-Windows phase and it's working on things that will keep it relevant long term
Agreed, they have even begun making good hardware outside of gaming. The surface range is hugely popular in the corporate scene.
On top of Hyper-V actually.