[bfieidhbrjr]

The value is really in the inept cluelessness of the legacy automakers. If any of them woke up and got a Clue(TM) then, after they build a car that isn't crappy, and a charging network, and self-driving... Then TSLA stock might drop.

[davewritescode]

GM arguably has a better self driving solution than Tesla at the moment. At least it’s safer.

Ford has the Mach-E which is getting really favorable press from the “car guy” world (i.e people who are a little more skeptical of Tesla) which supposedly is getting self driving and is $7k less with tax credit than the Model Y.

https://youtu.be/c4n5iPqxpaw

Honestly, given Tesla’s quality issues and how they address them, I wouldn’t mind seeing what the more risk-averse, mature automakers come up with. The way Tesla has handled design flows in the Model S front suspension is downright disgraceful.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-tesla-safety-investigatio...

[bfieidhbrjr]

Mach-E looks ok but there's no way I'm driving long distance on J1772. You might convince people ChaDeMo is okay... but not if they've done a v3 supercharger.

Like I said, its not just the car. You may be right about SuperCruise, I have a small amount of experience with it, but I'm skeptical.

As for cars having design faults and the manufacturer being disgraceful... That's a pretty long list? We could start with the Pinto exploding? Or the Bronco roof collapsing?

[garyrichardson]

That's the thing. If you're in the market for a Tesla priced car today, buy a Tesla. It's amazing. In 3+ years re-evaluate the DC charging networks when you're ready for your next car.

[maxerickson]

It's not likely that charging will represent a durable advantage.

(Tesla has a significant lead, but ultimately still has a small number of locations)

[MrRiddle]

All Toyota has to do is build fine Corolla EV. Then all they have to do is install fast chargers at their dealerships, which I can only imagine the number of.