[cbmuser]

Renewables won’t make house owners independent of the grid either.

Have a look at Calfifornia where a lot of gas plants have to provide electricity when the sun is down.

It’s sometimes really bizarre how proponents of renewables completely ignore the low capacity factor of their proposed technology or claim that large-capacity storage is a trivial problem to solve.

There is a reason why Germany has the second-highest electricity prices worldwide and why California had rolling blackouts not so long ago.

[adrianN]

Germany's electricity prices are almost completely irrelevant for the discussion about the cost of newly installed renewables today. In Germany consumer prices are high because the consumer subsidizes twenty year old systems while large scale industrial users get to consume the cheap, subsidized electricity.

[ncmncm]

California had rolling blackouts because of criminal fraud. The governor was recalled to kill prosecution of the fraud, and to get the state to pay the fraudulent billing. Arnold came through with the $80B.