[itsoktocry]

>Health: again, see pretty much all the research ever. Eating a plant based diet is so much better for weight, health, BMI, etc etc etc

It took me 5 minutes of Googling to find articles that refute this from all kinds of credible sources.

Going vegetarian might be a step up from the average Americans diet, but I think you'd be hard pressed to find any research that demonstrates plant-based diets are any better than a balanced diet that includes meat protein.

[dmje]

I dunno what Google you're using but it took me half a minute to get to multiple sources suggesting vegetarians are on average healthier, have lower BMI, lower incidents of common cancers and more. Obviously balance probably trumps everything as it always does but there's imo fairly compelling evidence in the non meat direction, on average, for most people.

But once again may I stress that for me it's a whole range of factors that make this compelling, not just one.

[itsoktocry]

The fact that you can find studies that say that is a long way away from your claim that all research says that.

[Nkuna]

Typical American/prominent meat diet population: Obese, cardiovascular issues, cancers, highly dependent on meds, health outcomes determined by income

Most Asian/plant based diet population: quite healthy, live longer, less pill popping and more homeopathic traditional meds.

Forget googling studies. Read about the China Study: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_China_Study

Even without studies, ask yourself why you most likely have a relative or know someone who's died from heart disease or a cancer and that likelihood plummets when looking at those that eat less or no meat? Then look at populations where meat consumption has gone up in the past few decades and certain cancers and cardiovascular diseases have gone up in tandem?

Buuuuuut can't let anyone stand in between you and your Whopper®, right?!

[itsoktocry]

>Typical American

I'm not American, so who cares. But some of the highest life expectancy in the world are European countries. I certainly don't see "Asia" (lol) as a standout.

>Even without studies, ask yourself...

Not interested in anecdata or hocus pocus.

>Buuuuuut can't let anyone stand in between you and your Whopper®, right?!

See, the difference between you and me is that I don't care what you choose to eat. Meanwhile, you feel the need to shame and lie and impose your preferences on others. It's why "annoying vegetarian" is a meme.

[rewq4321]

You missed the most cringe part of that comment:

> homeopathic traditional meds

That said, if you think that lower meat consumption isn't correlated with increased life expectancy, then you should read this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vegetarianism#Longevity

You can control for a bunch of lifestyle factors like smoking and exercise level, and the correlation still exists. It uncontroversial at this point - which is why every major national dietetics association (don't confuse them with "nutritionists") has a position statement on plant-based diets saying that they're as healthy or healthier than regular diets.

And with UFC fighters[0], NBA planers, national weightlifting champtions[1], world-record-holding powerlifters[2], and so on eating plant-based diets, it's getting harder to make the "okay, sure you live longer, but you probably sacrifice strength/vigor/etc throughout your life" claim.

[0] https://www.mensjournal.com/sports/nate-diaz-and-other-vegan...

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kendrick_Farris

[2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patrik_Baboumian

[Nkuna]

Cringe? Please consult your dictionary.

My comment re: homeopathy/traditional meds was an attempt to contrast the wild wild west dumpster fire that is Big Pharma with traditional meds. Pill popping countries have an opioid crisis whilst less meat eating populations aren't heavily reliant on the pharmaceutical industry because they have far less diet related health issues. In hindsight, I could have phrased that better. Then again, you could have parsed what I was trying to get across.

The rest of this must be directed at OP because I too know and believe a plant based diet carries longer life expectancy. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[Nkuna]

Didn't say you were. Never assumed you were American.

Of the provided links [1], [2] and [3], two of them show Honk Kong, Japan, Macau, Singapore and South Korea in the top 10. Europe gets 3 with Israel and Australia rounding out the 10. You're not incorrect by saying * some * but with Asian countries outnumbering European, lol at how wrong I am.

Your condescending tone is merely a eurocentric insecurity of the decline in your population. With birth rates plummeting, centuries, if not decades, from now, Europe won't be as white, as homogenous as it is (or was) so I understand your response of lashing out instead of accepting Asian countries might lead in anything of consequence.

I'll concede that what I meant by continent, I was actually referring to (specific) Asian countries, not the continent as a whole. Due to lifestyle and diet, Asian countries are more homogenous than other continents hence my lumping them together.

> Not interested in anecdata or hocus pocus.

Meat loving countries have higher obesity rates thus poorer health outcomes. No hocus pocus re: this observation. For someone not interested in anecdata, you miserably failed to do a simple query: https://start.duckduckgo.com/?q=life+expectancy+by+continent

> See, the difference between you and me is that I don't care what you choose to eat. Meanwhile, you feel the need to shame and lie and impose your preferences on others. It's why "annoying vegetarian" is a meme.

Neither do I. I'm shaming Americans and any person who thinks it's okay to eat meat without acknowledging the consequences it has on our environment. Basically what I take issue with is how your diet affects climate change which affects all of us!

PS: I eat meat regularly. I could quit given the need to but don't see myself consuming 'meat' grown artificially.

[1] https://www.statista.com/statistics/270861/life-expectancy-b...

[2] https://www.worldometers.info/demographics/life-expectancy/

[3] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_life_expe...

[rewq4321]

I'm plant-based, and your comment is embarassing.

> homeopathic traditional meds

Jesus. Really?

The is no evidence that homeopathy is effective at treating anything. On the other hand there's a mountain of evidence that people who eat no meat, or less than once per week live significantly longer. See citations on this[0] wiki page. The studies control for a bunch of different lifestyle factors including smoking, exercise level, and so on.

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vegetarianism#Longevity

[Nkuna]

See my response to OP. Also, shut up!