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by fpgaminer 2002 days ago
IANAV: So, when someone gets visibly sick, they tend to get isolated from other people. That makes it more difficult for the virus to spread. So over time there's a slight advantage to variations of a virus that don't make as many people sick.

I'm sure there are other factors, but that's a big one. So most viruses tend to harm the host less over time.

We saw the opposite effect during the Spanish Flu. As I recall at least one theory: because there was a war on, only severely sick soldiers would get sent away from the front lines, where they could come into contact with the general population. Less severe cases were kept on the front lines. This behavior created an inverse effect, applying selective pressure on more _severe_ strains of the virus. Hence, the second more deadly wave.

Once the Spanish Flu pandemic was "over" and the war was over, that pressure wore off and the Spanish Flu slowly evolved into various common cold strains that we still see today (AFAIK).

My guess is that it's hard to speculate what will happen with COVID-19. Several common cold viruses are coronaviruses, so from that one might conclude that COVID-19 will follow the same path of becoming less severe over time. But COVID-19 also has a _very_ large incidence of asymptomatic transmission. So isolating people who are very sick is unlikely to provide much selective pressure to this virus.

If COVID-19 _does_ become less severe over time, it will occur only because of different selective pressures or for different reasons. For example, maybe the mutations that result in higher transmission also, by some genetic necessity, lower severity.

The asymptomatic nature of COVID-19 gives it a big question mark, and we should _not_ assume anything about it becoming less severe over time. We should keep up aggressive measures to control its spread and lean on our vaccines to squash it before it has a chance to get worse. The quicker we get the vaccine out, and the more aggressive we are about controlling the virus's spread, the higher our chance of getting out of this mess.

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> But COVID-19 also has a _very_ large incidence of asymptomatic transmission

Does it? Meta-analysis concluding secondary attack rate in households from asymptomatic transmission around 0.7%.

> Household secondary attack rates were increased from symptomatic index cases (18.0%; 95% CI, 14.2%-22.1%) than from asymptomatic index cases (0.7%; 95% CI, 0%-4.9%)

https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamanetworkopen/fullarticle...

Yes it does. The disease would have been eradicated a long time ago if it didn't have asymptomatic transmission. (see: SARS and MERS)
So you're saying the studies are all wrong based on your a priori reasoning that interventions so far have failed?

Make a convincing study to disprove them.

Asymptomatic transmission might be not very high, but presymptomatic transmission is very high. It is well established fact, that people are the most contagious right before onset of the symptoms.Keep in mind that the symptoms might be very mild.
> Asymptomatic transmission might be not very high, but presymptomatic transmission is very high.

Actually if you read the meta-analysis I linked, 0.7% secondary attack rate covers both presymptomatic and asymptomatic.

MERS has not been eradicated.
> My guess is that it's hard to speculate what will happen with COVID-19.

> The asymptomatic nature of COVID-19 gives it a big question mark

Also the mass, un-targeted lockdowns have probably screwed with the selective pressure as well.

I still expect masks to become less effective over time because of their widespread use.