[paulnechifor]

I started watching The Wire recently expecting a very dry show that's difficult to understand but I found it gripping from the start. The characters felt real and the world very fucked up and interesting.

Season 2 was good, but I didn't understand why they kept the drug dealers plot on ice. It seemed like filler.

By season 3 it turned into every other TV show where characters are just tools used to express a story rather real people.

I stopped watching a few episodes into season 4 because I couldn't be bothered to care.

I would understand the heaps of praise The Wire gets if it were limited to season 1 (maybe 2 as well), but the reset doesn't seem that good.

[implements]

Season 4 is arguably the best bit of television drama, ever - it’s a masterpiece.

[_jcrossley]

Agreed, 4 is my favorite. Then maybe 2,1,3,5. Enormous fan here

[Eric_WVGG]

I get the argument that good tv/literature/whatever shouldn't need to be explained, but I think the Wire really benefits from reading a lot of serious criticism alongside watching. There were a ton of details and ideas and motifs that just flew over my head, but upon some reading and a second watching… well I started out loving The Wire, but the second time I loved The Wire. Even seasons 3 and 4. (not 5, at least I understand what they were trying to do)

[kazamaloo]

do you have good pointers?

[Eric_WVGG]

It’s been a couple years so would take a while to dig it up, but the New Yorker feature on Simon would be a fine place to start https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2007/10/22/stealing-life

But maybe instead I can give you an example of a thing that I hadn’t noticed, but once pointed out, became my favorite thing about the show: the first scene of the first episode of each season is an encapsulation of that whole season’s theme.

(Spoiler) in the first scene of the whole series, McNulty is asking a street kid about another kid, “Snot Boogie,” who had gotten gunned down. The kid explains that their friends had an ongoing dice game, and sometimes Snot would try to steal the money that was on the table. They would chase him down and beat him and go back to the game, and the next night Snot would just do it again. McNulty is incredulous, “if he always tries to steal, why do you let him play? If you keep beating him up, why does he come back?” “You’ve got to let him play. This is America.”

It’s easy to draw the parallel between Snot and the various players of the drug trade, who all play the game, some working their way higher up the ranks than others, but inevitably being beaten down, but they keep playing because it’s the only game in town. But that’s also the cops. Half of the are crooked and the there’s no “exit” and they’re fighting a war that can’t be won. Everyone in this game is Snot Boogie.

The set-up for the second season is even better, and the scene with Snoop and that nailgun... god

I’m going to give the series another watch alongside this podcast that goes through the episodes one at a time. Haven’t listened yet so I can’t vouch, but I’m intrigued. https://overcast.fm/+Zg-euhrSU

[rpdillon]

It may be that your opinion would change if you pushed through to the end. I liked it the entire way through, but I think it took finishing the final season for me to realize how masterful it all truly was.