[konjin]

Welfare is a full time job. Anyone who thinks otherwise has never had to get the right forms filled out, wait hours on end every x weeks at some govt building that takes hours to get to without a car and then fight the bill collectors that buy junk debt to be collected from the poor.

The point of welfare is to make not working so unpleasant that a minimum wage job is less work to hold down.

This is true across the whole developed world, the majority of which I have lived in.

[lazyasciiart]

I have been on welfare in the developed world and it wasn’t like that at all - I’m very skeptical that you’ve managed to get significant personal understanding of welfare across even a majority of the developed world. It sounds like you’re not thinking of pensioners, for one, who generally don’t have many recurring forms to fill out.

[konjin]

I was not aware 20 year olds could be pensioners.

[lazyasciiart]

I'm not sure how that's relevant.

[konjin]

You are using a welfare system available to under 20% of the population (in the best countries) to argue that the majority have access to a system that is well designed. This is moving the goalposts at best and outright intellectually dishonest at worst.

[lazyasciiart]

No, I'm not. The comment about pensioners was a throwaway note at the end of my comment about having been on welfare and knowing that your sweeping claims are simply wrong.