[prepend]

This topic is interesting to me but it’s so hard to learn about. The reporting seems to have so much lack of detail it’s weird. It’s all summaries of statements without sources.

I understand that Gebru may feel dehumanized but without seeing the email that she references, it’s hard for me to understand her statement. If the CEO of Google painted her as “an angry black woman” then that’s a really big deal. If she feels that way, then that’s not as unique to me as people frequently feel upset and about ways that are unique to them, but not interesting to me.

Similarly with the fire/resign thing. These stories seem to all say “fire” even though that seems contested by Google for what happened. Without reading her actual ultimatum email then it’s hard for me to tell.

So it’s frustrating that what I want to know, these stories don’t cover. They are statements from Gebru that seem vague, easily substantiated, but not substantiated. So the articles seem to just focus on someone’s feelings.

[Hnrobert42]

All the details were hashed out in posts here a few weeks ago. I won’t summarize because one side or the other will downvote me, but you can search HN.

[prepend]

I read all of those and never got the details. I could never find the actual email she sent. Just the email she sent to the listserv.

I did end up finding Pichai’s email and while it was bland corporate speak, I don’t understand how it was particularly damning. I’m not sure how anyone could expect Google to apologize when they don’t think they are wrong, or especially through a company wide email. If anything it’s a positive that the CEO is taking such interest and spending such energy on this.

[oli5679]

Can you link?

[fruffy]

This is the most comprehensive discussion on this topic, which also deals with the fallout on Twitter. Includes (anonymous) comments by Google employees:

https://old.reddit.com/r/MachineLearning/comments/k77sxz/d_t...

Otherwise this search will cover most of the HN debate: https://hn.algolia.com/?q=gebru