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by jsjohnst 2008 days ago
I’m not going to continue doing your laptop buyers homework for you, but I just checked the T480 spec sheet[0]:

weight/screensize ratio: .25lb/in Screensize/bodysize: 86.9%

So definitely not way ahead either, actually behind the first two on one of your criteria.

Look, it’s obvious you have a bias against Apple, likely even a justified one. I have reasons I hate them too. But can we please not post baseless claims like you seem to be doing? I personally feel folks doing that are contributing to the huge backwards slide of content quality on the internet. If you want to say you prefer non-Apple laptops, that’s entirely fine, just don’t try to justify your decision with arbitrary ratios without actually running the numbers and seeing if Apple really is “far behind the competition” on those arbitrary criteria.

[0] - https://psref.lenovo.com/syspool/Sys/PDF/datasheet/ThinkPad_...

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T480 and T480s are not the same laptop. Add an s to that URL

https://psref.lenovo.com/syspool/Sys/PDF/datasheet/ThinkPad_...

Bezels are rather bad on the T series back then but weight was fantastic, xps13 was slightly better in terms of bezels and weight. The T-series having the nipple also helped you use it in tighter spaces closer to your body without sticking your elbows out which helps in tight seated spaces (which is the big reason I care about body size vs screen size), but those tall bezels were dreadful. Still I was just stunned by Apples seeming lack of competitiveness in the 13-14" space, and their 15" laptops weren't good until the 16" came out which was a fine laptop compared to the competition but the thermals really disappointed me and it felt like some of the hardware they put in it went to waste. The 16" was the first laptop since 2015 I would honestly say was arguably the best on the market of that type, before that the laptops were just crap.

>Look, it’s obvious you have a bias against Apple

I have a bias against bad products like the 2016-2019 era macbooks which were dreadful. When Apple was making good laptops before then, I was a fan. After they started making good laptops again, I was a fan. When Apple was in the dark ages, I went to the store and gave their laptops an honest shot but I just couldn't bring myself to buy such garbage even though I was a fan of MacOS. Do I have to believe Apple has made the best laptops from a hardware perspective every single year to not be bias against them with no regard to what their competition is doing? There is not a single product in their lineup I do not consider arguably the best on the market these days, I've been in rooms where I was on of two mac users in a room of 30, my god I'm SO biased against Apple because I hate heavy slow computers with defective keyboards and dubious pricing.

> I have a bias against bad products like the 2016-2019 era macbooks which were dreadful.

Your biased opinion. My biased opinion? I can’t stand the pre-2016 MBPs anymore, and the keyboard is a major reason. Yes, I love the 2016 and later keyboards (newest ones being the best, but I never had issues with the 2016-2018 ones that others reported).

> Do I have to believe Apple has made the best laptops from a hardware perspective every single year to not be bias against them with no regard to what their competition is doing?

Nobody has said or implied that but you, so?

> There is not a single product in their lineup I do not consider arguably the best on the market these days

Really? Who makes a better ARM based laptop?