[djmobley]

Most people do not have the luxury of being able to pick and choose their employer based on whether they are individually comfortable with every aspect of the organisation’s impact on the world.

Most people have bills to pay, mouths to feed, and would be delighted to have a well paid job with a leading tech firm.

[bradlys]

People replying to you presume if you got an offer from FB then you can get many $400k offers from other companies. Obviously, it isn’t true. Many people only get the one good offer when they interview. With the interviewing bar constantly rising, I expect people to find it harder to even get the one offer.

And of course, people will say, “you don’t have to live in X, you don’t have to live a lifestyle resembling professional middle class outside the Bay Area, etc.” moving the goal posts...

[evgen]

If you are an engineer at FB you have choices, including the luxury of being able to pick and choose your employer based on their moral and ethical impact on the world. There are no salaried employees at FB who are facing the prospect of taking the job at FB or living on the streets.

[rock_hard]

So what place do you suggest they go work at that’s so ethically pure?

The government? A church...oh wait

[evgen]

Nice attempt to apply the fallacy of the excluded middle. There are lots of places that are less ethically challenging and morally questionable where you can seek gainful employment, in fact the list of places that are a bigger ethical minefield than working at Facebook is vanishingly small.

[slut]

Important caveat: TO YOU

[djmobley]

Note I said: “based on whether they are individually comfortable with every aspect of the organisation’s impact on the world.”

I’m sure Facebook employees are talented and have options for employment, but even they are unlikely to find an employer perfectly aligned with their own moral compass.

[nooyurrsdey]

Generally speaking, the folks at Facebook have options to work other places in the industry.

[matlag]

How do you know for sure the "other places" are any better? FB is much more scrutinized than other companies.

And as I wrote earlier: scandals were largely reported and extensively covered. Most users stayed. So if users are happy with it, why should the employees quit a good job?

[evgen]

The idea that all of the 'scandals' and morally repugnant behavior within Facebook management and in the company as a whole has been reported and revealed is so laughable that I cannot believe anyone would try to suggest this with a straight face. Facebook continues to lower the bar on ethical behavior, it is built on a foundation of mass surveillance for profit, and it continues to deny, deflect, and obfuscate whenever it is caught again doing something immoral. Most users stayed due to lack of a good alternative, not because they felt any affinity for Facebook. The continued decline of Facebook the brand and the fact that legal and legislative corrections to their behavior are gaining traction is a reasonably good indicator that users are, in fact, not happy with it.

[slut]

What decline of the brand? HN isn't really FBs general audience, who clearly do not care. DAU continues to go up. The fact that you think the planned 'legal and legislative corrections' by the same entity that approved their acquisitions only a few years ago, is genuinely hilarious. They're a political scapegoat and not much more, same reason Google will see the same antitrust case from the same AGs this week.

[matlag]

>The idea that all of the 'scandals' and morally repugnant behavior within Facebook management and in the company as a whole has been reported and revealed is so laughable that I cannot believe anyone would try to suggest this with a straight face.

The point is not that all potential scandals have been reported. The point is the ones that have been uncovered have been extensively reported. And that didn't change anything to the majority of users.

So why would you think more scandals will do?

> Most users stayed due to lack of a good alternative, not because they felt any affinity for Facebook.

When asked what the alternatives miss, the answer is almost always the network. When you ask to contribute to alternative so you grow that network, it's "meeeh, too complicated to use 2 networks". But it's not too complicated to use FB, and Twitter, and Instagram, and Linkedin, and...

"There is not good alternative" is a lame excuse. The honest answer is: "I don't want to do any effort nor any kind of compromise whatsoever".

And if you don't want to change anything, in my view, you're fine with the status quo.

[djmobley]

I’m sure they have options, but do they have options to work for employers that perfectly align with their own moral compass?

I doubt even Facebook employees have that luxury, which is the point I made.

[JamesBarney]

> Most people do not have the luxury of being able to pick and choose their employer based on whether they are individually comfortable with every aspect of the organisation’s impact on the world.

This is true of most people. This is not true of most facebook developers.