[Mirioron]

>We wouldn't lose much if advertising would just be forbidden.

We would lose the current ad industry and just replace it with some other form of it.

You can't get rid odd advertising, because the existence of the product itself is already advertising. Let's imagine that advertising were banned. How could a car manufacturer still advertise their cars? Put bigger logos on them and sell lots of cheaper models for a while. That way the city will be full of your vehicles and any time someone sees a car they'll think of your cars. Same goes for Coca-Cola and other brands. In that case they just need to take up more shelf-space.

[a3camero]

Wouldn't that be a great outcome? Cheap cars or cheap cola? That's better than more expensive products (because of the cost of advertising that's turned into billboards and banner ads.)

[jimmaswell]

Cheap cars that break down fast aren't good for anyone.

[lotsofpulp]

Cheap cola is not good for anyone either.

[olalonde]

> Wouldn't that be a great outcome? Cheap cars or cheap cola?

Bingo. And that's why normal people don't care about ads if they get Facebook and Google for free.

[criddell]

A lot would also switch to native ads.

For example, if a concert promoter can't buy a 30 second spot on local radio to promote and upcoming show, they will instead pay for the band to be interviewed by a DJ where the interview is little more than the band talking about the upcoming show. I don't think that's an improvement.

[lotsofpulp]

In my experience they will do both, or however many ways they think work.

[d1tch]

We have to ditch the cognitive bias that “products” are what we should contribute.

Information exchange can take place when people use their imagination to create with raw materials. Stock stores with raw materials. Focus public governance on health, not public-private collusion.

Think like open-source; take computer, make it useful to you.

We’re circling last generations emotional model for packaging given their logistics capabilities.

IoT can act as a model here; smaller uni-task gadgets or general compute gadgets, needing less code.

The sunk cost fallacy at scale is how our system works now. That simply props up the ingenuity of those who got there first.

Why the ever loving hell do we need teachers with high education bills and masters degrees? Were we not able to reach reading for the thousand years before?

This social monolith building needs to billionaires is merely following a social monolith to kings and priests.

We move around atomically but pay a tax on our effort upwards. The result? Decades of inequality growth, deflation of buying power.

It’s not technical change we need but emotional; we don’t owe these people deference.

Pre-packaged experience is no different than “here’s your Bible, Timmy.”

[forrestconnors]

That sounds like a good thing...