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by tgv 2018 days ago
You're equating real, personal affection with a machine going trough the motions. I can't believe you're both serious and respecting these poor souls.
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This is like the brain in a jar. Whatever you feel, no matter how strongly, is entirely located inside yourself. If thing X and thing Y both result in the same neurochemical response that you experience as "love", why is it not good for some to have Y if they can't have X?
That's, as they say, a big if. There's absolutely no reason to assume it's true.

BTW, love/affection/contact is one of those aspects of life where you're not a brain in a jar.

> There's absolutely no reason to assume it's true.

I think that's backwards. There's no reason to assume an experience like love can't be replicated by reproducing the same events in the brain. Unless you believe in the supernatural like souls, in which case the conversation is no longer based on scientific analysis.

> BTW, love/affection/contact is one of those aspects of life where you're not a brain in a jar.

This is a non sequitur. The point of the brain in a jar idea is that you have no way to tell that you're a brain in a jar if all the chemicals, electrical impulses, etc are properly manipulated.

I did not assume it, but apparently you took "brain in a jar" literal. That completely invalidates any argument, since the Chinese you're talking about, are not brains in a jar.

> There's no reason to assume an experience like love can't be replicated

There's all the reason, if only because a "brain in a jar" lacks organs for hormone production (e.g., adrenaline and testosterone). And no, you even haven't got an idea of how create an artificial adrenal gland or scrotum, and how to hook them up to an brain in a jar. There's all the reason to assume it can't be easily replicated.

And even if it could theoretically be replicated, there's absolutely no reason to assume Xiaoice can do that.

I think you're missing my point. I'm only talking about the users. If something could in theory effect the same result in their brains that normal love does, then I personally would be all for it. Maybe we're not there yet, but I'm talking about the principle rather than any specific implementation.
Sure the technology seems to have a long way to go. But would it not being real really matter once you could no longer tell the difference?

Either way, when the alternative is loneliness, depression, and eventually suicide, I find the AI solution to be way more humane.

This is exactly my point. It's like the common saying, "it's real to me". Same as religion. Many religious people are less interested with whether or not something is true, and more motivated by the impact belief has on their life. There are enough mutually exclusive religions out there that we know at least one has to be untrue.

If believing in a religion that isn't real can improve someone's life, why would love be any different?

The alternative to this is not "lives confident healthy awesome life without love", it's - as the article details - falling head over heels with some poor real girl who has been misled over the internet and who then turns and runs when they meet up in real life and she discovers the truth.

There are a lot of people posting in this thread who seem to have fortunately never fallen in love with someone who doesn't feel the same way. There's no rule that says love has to be wholesome and balanced, sadly. Whatever process causes love inside us doesn't always work like that. Having run the gamut myself, I'd rather these men fall in love with an AI that at least talks to them and helps them, than some random girl in a café or online who simply shows them contempt.

So, what is your suggestion?