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by wefarrell 2014 days ago
Tesla does not have any self-driving cars on the road today:

"Yes. Autopilot is a hands-on driver assistance system that is intended to be used only with a fully attentive driver. It does not turn a Tesla into a self-driving car nor does it make a car autonomous."

https://www.tesla.com/support/autopilot
1 comments
nickik 2014 days ago
I never claimed they have. I said they are making money with the technology, those are different things.

And you fail to respond to my actual point.

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wefarrell 2014 days ago
They are making money with a technology that is neither self driving nor autonomous. It's driver-assist, which places it in the same category as navigation or cruise control.

If you compare Tesla to the other companies working on self driving, the only meaningful milestone where Tesla leads is the number of fatalities. The reason why Cruise and Waymo have not been as aggressive as Tesla in rolling out features to the general public is caution.

When it comes to gauging self-driving progress the most meaningful metric to look at is progress towards regulatory approval in more markets. It doesn't matter how _capable_ they are, if they can't demonstrate to regulators that they're able to safely operate then they won't be in the market. Tesla needs to step up and start making progress towards legally operating actual self-driving vehicles.

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nickik 2012 days ago
The point is that Tesla is making money, with the people they have heir to do the work and have a path towards self-driving that is not inherently money losing.

Saying that having a single car that is approved for self driving in a single geographic are is far more advanced then millions of cars that can drive with incredibly advanced driver assists literally all over the world is just an incredibly terrible way to measure progress towards the eventual full solution.

Its simply not a way of measuring progress that I is reasonable.

> aggressive as Tesla in rolling out features to the general public is caution

Its because they have a technology platform that simply can't be sold commercially as they are specialized vehicles. Plus these are not system that have been developed to work with a driver, its simply a totally different process of development.

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