[callinOutLiars]

I’m a cyclist and driver too, and I always get annoyed when cyclists always blame the cars. Most cyclist don’t follow the laws and then yell at you for their fault. I stopped my bike at a stop sign, the dude behind me wasn’t prepared for it and hit me with his bike. He then yelled at me for stopping. Honestly, both drivers and cyclists are rude and selfish on the road.

[hansvm]

To be fair, where I live the cars don't stop at signs either. A typical reaction when I stop (in a car in front of them) is to flip me off and honk or speed past in the wrong lane.

[umanwizard]

The difference is that when a cyclist is rude and selfish, it might put you in a bad mood for the rest of the morning. When a driver is rude and selfish, cyclists can die.

I'm so sick of this "but cyclists are mean too!" whataboutism in every thread of this nature.

[kaybe]

In addition the rules and streets themselves often don't make that much sense for cyclists. If the situation was similar for cars you'd see them behave very differently as well.

[vorpalhex]

> The difference is that when a cyclist is rude and selfish, it might put you in a bad mood for the rest of the morning.

Had a cyclist illegally cross horizontal to a lane on a 40mph road, almost resulted in a 3 car collision - luckily all three drivers (including me and the car behind me) were paying attention.

A cyclist absolutely can cause deaths by not obeying the laws of the road.

[lmm]

What you're really saying here is that cars are so inherently dangerous that they amplify unlikely-to-be-deadly mistakes from other road users into events that are very likely to be deadly.