[dgb23]

I agree, the consumer has responsibility here, and leverage.

But that does not absolve the producer. They are still using ethically questionable methods.

The market doesn’t get to decide the rights and wrongs. It just allocates resources. That we have to do collectively if we want to call ourselves democratic.

[forest_dweller]

I don't care for democracy, so no I don't want to call myself democratic.

> But that does not absolve the producer. They are still using ethically questionable methods.

Most people don't care. How can it be an ethical issue if the vast majority of people are unconcerned by it?