[rootusrootus]

> You should have thought about that when you supported weakening election security

It's difficult to take Republicans seriously when they didn't file a constitutional lawsuit against every state who implemented vote-by-mail in response to covid-19, just the four states that would need to be disqualified in order to make Trump the winner.

> Next time, maybe cooperate on election security? Is that too much to ask?

Sure, no problem. Fund the FEC and make it their mandate to find every eligible citizen and issue them a free election ID card. If your answer continues to be 'make it a state ID, and by the way we will make it so DMV is only open one day every two weeks for a couple hours in this black neighborhood over here' then it just looks like continued attempts at voter suppression.

You can't try to pretend you are acting in good faith when it is so obvious you aren't.

[knaq]

Nobody sane would waste money on a lawsuit in a state that doesn't matter.

It's just plain racist to suggest that black citizens don't have ID. It is required for guns, which are actually a constitutional right unlike voting for president. It is required to buy beer, rent an apartment, use most government benefits, or get a job. It's even required to enter many campaign events for democrats! So, that doesn't sound like good faith at all.

Funding the ID is fine. Some bullshit election ID card is no good. It needs to meet the normal standard, as specified by the Real ID Act of 2005. The US passport would be acceptable; let's make those free. The military ID would be acceptable.

Say, want to bias it against republicans who never travel to foreign countries? Make a US passport the only valid identification. I'm fine with that.

[nl]

There's not an iota of evidence of the significant fraud you believe has occurred, and it's been tested in multiple courts in multiple states.

You are right that many people believe it did. And that's a huge, huge problem.

Can you explain any evidence at all that would convince you?

[knaq]

At this point in time, it's too late. Step 1 of the steal was the intentional security reduction. It prevented most evidence from being collected, and this made it easier and less scary to commit the crime. (we did get a horrifying Georgia video and then some absurd excuses, plus the Minnesota ballot purchase video, plus the Texas Judge with the pile of fake ID, plus the Texas door-to-door coercion, etc.)

As I wrote above, for future elections:

"Ink the fingers, since we're 3rd-world now. Have ID, just like India and Mexico do. All votes must be cast in person. Take extra pictures when voting (face, fingerprints, iris, retina), to better enable prosecution of misbehavior. No machine goes on a network. Every machine is observed by multiple unrelated people (don't know each other) for the entire time, starting from verification that it is empty and continuing until all recounts are completed. No excuses."

There was no legitimate excuse for destroying what little election security we had. You wouldn't have done that if you wanted to hold a valid election, but you wanted to "win" at any cost.

Some ominous words slipped out of Biden's mouth when speaking to voters in Michigan: "I don't need you to get me elected!"

[nl]

As I said:

> Can you explain any evidence at all that would convince you?

And your response (TL;RD): "no".

You've drunk the cool aid, and it's a religion for you. I'm sorry for the state you have reached.

[rootusrootus]

Any widespread fraud (and it would need to be widespread indeed, without the benefit of hindsight) would leave ample evidence. The conspiracy required to pull it off is mind-boggling, and keeping that a secret essentially impossible.

Ironically, Biden supporters have a better argument for believing in fraud conspiracies, given that Trump over-performed significantly compared to expectations in both of the last two elections. One man's "oh the polls must all have been wrong" is another man's "there were millions of illegal votes."

This is a scary time for the country. I sincerely hope this is just a personality cult and will fade along with Trump. Garden variety issue politics are at least halfway rational.