[mombul]

Well, there IS a pandemic. So there IS a good reason for "selling it" "a bit hard". It will literally save lives and end a world-wide economy-crippling disease.

Now I agree the process was quicker than usual, that it brings up a lot of questions. But it's the studies we should question, the efficiency, the long term effects. The way it's sold and "advertised" is just equally as dramatic as the disease it's trying to stop, in my opinion.

[parliament32]

"It will" is a strong choice of words. The root of the matter is I don't, personally, trust the people doing the selling.

It varies by region but where I'm from, back in April-ish, we were sold: "just two weeks of lockdowns and the virus will die out! everything will be back to normal!". So we did. Businesses shut down, transit basically stopped running, our downtown core was a wasteland. Everyone parroted "stay safe, stay home" back and forth at each other and sat at home for a few weeks. It sucked, everyone had a bad time, lots of busineses had to go out of business, but we all were told it was for the greater good and it'll be worth it. And... it didn't do shit.

Now here we are again. Odds on, in a few months, it'll be either "turns out this vaccine doesn't protect you as well as we thought", or "turns out it only protects you for six months", or "turns out the virus mutated so the vaccine isn't effective at all anymore"? In exchange for, what, testing not only a new vaccine, but a whole new method of vaccination on yourself? Whether that's worth it to you or not is a personal choice, but "it will literally save lives and end [the disease]" is firmly TBD.

[mthoms]

Out of curiosity, where are you from, that you were told the virus would "die out" after just two weeks of lockdowns?

And also, can you back your claims that the spring lockdowns "didn't do shit"? That's not at all what the numbers show.

[mombul]

I don't know where you're from that you heard that. But from where I'm from, we were told that:

- it was just only the beginning of a massive sh*tstorm, not just "2 weeks of lockdown and we'll be ok"

- the lockdown in April was to mitigate as much as possible the first wave

- a second wave would almost definitely arrive in the winter (hello! it's here! we're in lockdown again, pretty much as planned)

- nothing will be back to normal before we get the vaccine, and even then, it would take months if not years for it to be a thing of the past, and that until then we'd have to do our best to follow the guidelines.

You can't compare scientific proof that something works vs. a government decision taken to "mitigate things".

The spring lockdown helped free beds in hospital and ultimately it saved thousands if not millions of lives worldwide. Period. This is UNDENIABLE.

Also, maybe if some people weren't so doubtful that these decisions were for their own good and stopped throwing tantrums about their "fundamental right to breathe air", we wouldn't have had a second wave at all. Maybe.

[choward]

That doesn't make any sense. The worse the virus is the less you should need to "sell" the vaccine.

If it was a rushed vaccine to prevent you from becoming a zombie you wouldn't need to sell it.

If it was a vaccine for the common cold you would need to sell it.

[mombul]

Of course, you're right, it doesn't make sense and that's not how it should work. Unfortunately, science and medicine are fields that are largely driven by money. Laboratories don't really care about a vaccine for a disease in Africa that nobody will be able to afford or invest in. They will turn to better markets. There are multiple reasons, the most obvious one is that they're private companies, their goal is to make profit. The second one is that it's a field that requires a lot of resources. So you need a big ROI.

One of the reasons the vaccine for COVID-19 was produced so quickly is not because of some sort of conspiracy, like they had the antidote all along or something. It's just that when there's a real buck to make, it becomes a race between these big pockets companies.

That's one side of it and I don't know enough to cover every aspect of it. Also, it's just my opinion of course and how I see this.

Edit: I'm doubtful about a zombie vaccine being given for free. Most likely in a Walking Dead type scenario, where the economy would completely go down, there wouldn't be any financial incentive to keep the searches going, and no money to back up the researches either. So we'd be scr*wed I think. :o)