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by jkw 2016 days ago
I think there's a difference between:

(a) I WILL WAIT because I don't trust it yet, and

(b) I WILL WAIT because I want to let the more at-risk people to have access it to first

That seems to be lost in the poll

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Or (c) I will tell everyone that I'm waiting so that more at-risk people can have access it to first, but secretly I'll be happy others are field-testing it for me...
That's similar to mine. I will get it as soon as I can, but I'm also glad that "when I can" is not "first".
The incentives seem to align: if I were a front-line at-risk worker I'd be much more accepting of possible risk than in my present situation of staying at home all day.
Speaking as someone who already has some (but not all) well-understood vaccines contraindicated and has to figure out which category covid vaccines will fall in...

(d) telling myself that (c) is how I feel is how I assuage my feelings of disappointment at being old enough decision makers believe I'm likely to behave responsibly, but young enough + no apparent extra risk factors enough that I'm likely to be near last to get access.

nailed it! Don't tell anyone..
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Or (d) I will wait to see if Corona mutates so much over the next year that the vaccine is a yearly process.

Edit: I feel like some people didn’t notice the mink culling in Denmark which was caused by fears that version of the virus would make the vaccines useless.

Even if there was another strain, why would it make the current vaccine useless when the current strain still exists?
So if the strains change every year because the virus mutates so much then the current strain wouldn't be so common. It's basically what happens with the flu. Also a new strain can be more infectious, which I believe was the case with the mink strain.
The current strain is very common. If you haven't noticed, it's actually a pretty big problem.
There are multiple strains. And in various parts of the world it's a differents strain that is common.

I'm not telling anyone else to get it, I'm just stating I am going to wait and see if the problem is actually solved before acting like it.

I think the implication is, if it's available to you, the at-risk people have already had a chance to get it. At least that's what I've heard from the rollout strategy.
It looks like some people in the comments are interpreting it differently
Isn't that covered by the prompt?

> Assumption: it is available to everyone at the same time

This reads like "everyone who wants it will get it"

ITT: people who leave comments without reading past the title.
And there's another option:

I WILL WAIT because I have severe allergies and people say not to take it...

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25358753 UK has warned people with allergies not to take the Pfizer/Biontech vaccine.

People could be conflating those two reasons.
I'm not aware of any localities or nations that are just dumping the vaccines off at a pharmacy and letting people do what they want. Everywhere has a roll-out plan, with healthcare workers and high-risk individuals prioritized over the totally healthy mid-20's athlete. So (b) in your list isn't really a concern. If you have access to it, you should get it.
And many people claiming (b) also feel (a). Practically there is no difference between those options.
I agree. This is a bad poll that can be used to derive whatever meaning you want to derive from it. There’s no reason we can’t have fifteen more specific options listed.

Is it no because you don’t need it because you already had the virus? Is it no because you’re allergic to vaccines? Is it no because the virus is a hoax?

Depends on how people read the line saying that it's available to everyone and no wait lines. The way I read it was, yay!, vaccines for EVERYONE.
Also you might split up the "No" answer as "No, because I've already had COVID and recovered" vs. "No, I'm an anti-vaxxer" (or something).
It might be a good idea to get the vaccine even if you've already had COVID. There's not been any CDC recommendations about it, but here's what they do say.

> There is not enough information currently available to say if or for how long after infection someone is protected from getting COVID-19 again; this is called natural immunity. Early evidence suggests natural immunity from COVID-19 may not last very long, but more studies are needed to better understand this. Until we have a vaccine available and the Advisory Committee on Immunization Practices makes recommendations to CDC on how to best use COVID-19 vaccines, CDC cannot comment on whether people who had COVID-19 should get a COVID-19 vaccine. [1]

Suffice it to say, I'll do whatever the CDC recommends. I've already had COVID, so I'm guessing I'll go last. But at the same time, I'll get the vaccine if it is recommended.

[1] https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/faq.html

Surely there is also not enough information on how long after vaccination someone is protected. This doesn't seem like a strong argument to me.

If infection with the actual virus doesn't confer immunity, I don't see much reason to think that the vaccine will work any better.

Everything I've read has suggested that people who've had COVID should still get the vaccine anyway, as it could act as a booster. And that, whether through natural immunity or a vaccine it looks likely that we'll need to get it 'topped up' after awhile.

Has there been medical advice anywhere that people who've had COVID don't need to get vaccinated?

The vaccine is still indicated for those who have had Covid.