[foxtr0t]

Yes yes, wishing shame on another is beyond the pale.

Seriously, wishing someone feels regret, shame, embarrassment isn't incompatible with forgiveness. Learning difficult lessons, especially from harmful mistakes, is the only way society makes progress.

[bigbubba]

You can't deny there is a certain vindictiveness to that comment. Being a little vindictive is fine, it's unreasonable to expect saintly purity from people, but it's good to admit such mindsets to yourself at least.

[standardUser]

I'll point you to my follow-up comment. These same people continue to support the direct pain and suffering of millions of other people by their insistence on taking only the smallest steps towards an evidence-oriented approach to drug laws. I'll forgive those who repent, the rest I'll leave to Jesus.

[bigbubba]

That's a justification for your vindictiveness (which I did not ask nor expect you to justify.) I am suggesting that you recognize your vindictiveness for what it is, not that you deny yourself feelings of vindictiveness.

[standardUser]

I don't exactly understand your obsession with "vindictiveness". I'm not saying we should have a policy of rounding these people up and throwing them in prison. This is my emotional response, not a proposed policy response. They, however, literally did support a policy of rounding people up and throwing them in prison.

[bigbubba]

Why do you say that I'm obsessed with vindictiveness? Note that I am not the GP, I left only two comments concerning it. I happen to think that your feelings vindictiveness are justified. I'm just saying you shouldn't deceive yourself into thinking your feelings of vindictiveness are something else. There is nothing wrong with an emotional response and I've not insinuated otherwise. Feeling vindictive is healthy, but self-deception harms yourself. I hope my position is now clear to you.

[RobRivera]

Judge not lest ye be judged

[hoka-one-one]

This is probably the most vapid argument I've ever seen on HN. Great job team

[anon9001]

It's not vapid and his anger is righteous.

Please realize that the cohort of people we're talking about have supported policies of enslaving "others" through laws for decades and that they continue to do this today.

These policies have and are destroying communities, families, careers, lives, and to some extent, the fabric of the nation.

It's also not a coincidence these are the same people that just lost an election and are trying to overturn the result by any means.

Remember that story about raiding the home of a scientist in Florida a few days ago for doing science? That's the same people as the "anti-drug" people.

It turns out that the anti-drug, anti-transgender, anti-gay, anti-science, anti-abortion, anti-vaccine, anti-education, anti-environmentalist, anti-healthcare, anti-mask, pro-police, pro-prison, pro-corporation, pro-pollution, pro-inequality, pro-torture, pro-religion group are all the same people.

The anti-drug laws are just a symptom of a much wider societal corruption.

We can't be handing out forgiveness to our oppressors while they are still actively oppressing.

[hoka-one-one]

I was referring to the entire discussion