[beders]

> poorly-maintained clojure-ish libraries to paper over the java/javascript bits, which get out of date quickly.

Care to elaborate? For example, re-frame, reagent have been stable, reliable libraries for years. In contrast to many JS libraries. JS interop has been virtually unchanged for years.

What am I not seeing here?

[Scarbutt]

Clojurescript relies on the closure compiler which doesn't play well with the Javascript ecosystem. Too much "busy work" https://dev.solita.fi/2020/06/25/taming-cljs-advanced-compil...

[fulafel]

The gains from the advanced optimizations mode under discussion there are nice and the setup is known to be a little finicky wrt dependencies. But it's opt in and rarely necessary.

[Scarbutt]

Unless you want to ship a 5MB browser bundle for a 'hello world', advanced compilation is not necessary, is obligatory.

[fulafel]

It's like 200 kB gzipped for hello world with simple optimizations.

When you use webpack, you can use that ecosystem of space optimizers too.