[tapoxi]

Telegram doesn't use any encryption for groups. It uses encryption only in 1:1 chats when you specifically request it.

[fullstop]

The transfer to the server is certainly encrypted. You are referring to end-to-end encryption, I assume.

[tapoxi]

Correct, I'm referring to e2e. My personal trust model is not to trust the server.

[fullstop]

Right, I understand. It's still encrypted, though, just not in a way that you like.

[driverdan]

In the same way that FB, Whatsapp, and pretty much every other app works. I doubt there are any chat apps that don't encrypt between the client and server.

[donatzsky]

To be fair, when Telegram launched WhatsApp was still unencrypted. It was a big part of Telegram's marketing at the time.

[_def]

Exactly. Sadly they didn't hold their promises

[Throwaway1771]

Nobody should like just SSL.

[deepstack]

IMHO, it is NOT encrypted, unless the service provider (also can't read your message). A promise from a Russian based company (the Facebook of Russia) doesn't put any assurances for me.

[fullstop]

We can't just assign new definitions to encryption. It's encrypted in such a way that a person watching the wire can't see the contents of the message. If you don't want the message on the server, use a secret e2e chat. They are very up front and clear on this matter.

For the vast majority of my messages, I'm fine with them living on their servers. If I need to send credentials to my family, I can use an e2e channel. For me, it's a step up from hangouts and definitely better than whatsapp or facebook messenger.

[deepstack]

I acknowledge that it is not the standard tech definition. From a user perspective, 'Encryption' ought to mean only me and the person/people whom I communicate with can read the message.

[Jiocus]

Telegram is not affiliated with VK, neither is Telegram based in Russia 🇷🇺

[deepstack]

Hmmm? Telegram founder is a sharholder in VK from what heard from people from Russia and Ukraine.