[minikites]

>That's a much different statement and says nothing at all about whether those employees were robbed of overtime, asked to work for free, or their employers claimed tip credits for tips the employees didn't receive.

These are all examples of "cheating employees", I'm glad we agree.

[cgriswald]

The only thing we agree on is that the items in the previous post are examples of wage theft.

You've convinced me that you are trolling. You haven't addressed any arguments or provided any meaningful support to your pretty extreme claims. Your proposed solution, even if it were effective, would exclude large numbers of non-tipped employees.

Even if, as you assert without evidence, the various labor boards around the country are ineffective, providing them with the funding that would otherwise go to tipped employees would be a much better solution than tipping. It would simultaneously remove resources from thieving employers, make them easier to identify, make it harder for them to find labor, and provide greater resources for those trying to stop them.

[minikites]

Your original claim (that every tipped employee is making at least minimum wage and employers don't break the law) is in fact more extreme and yet you've provided zero evidence. I've provided plenty of evidence, you just don't like it because it's uncomfortable to think about.

In fact, here, have some more evidence, I'm eager to find out what's wrong these these sources:

http://wagejustice.org/wage-theft-facts/

https://unprotectedworkers.org/index.php/broken_laws/index

https://digitalcommons.law.yale.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?arti...

https://money.cnn.com/2017/12/18/news/economy/wage-theft-wor...

[cgriswald]

That isn’t my original claim.

It’s also not my job to disprove your unsupported claim by scouring sources you’ve just googled. Even if I stipulated that your sources are credible and true, which they may be, you are making massive leaps in logic in order to support your claim and not even attempting to explain how you got there or addressing my very direct criticisms.

That I am “uncomfortable” talking about this is just a lazy and ironic ad hominem argument. I’ve been talking about it. You’ve been avoiding that conversation. I’m fine talking about it. I’m just not willing to talk to you anymore.