[oblio]

> There will be side effects

Everything in life has side effects. Everything in life has trade offs. It's not about the lack of side effects or even their magnitude or severity, it's about balance: do they help more than they harm?

The most innocent substance out there, water, can kill you. And I don't mean drowning.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Water_intoxication

Many of the arguments people make about modern medicine are:

A) uninformed

B) not made in good faith

Modern medicine is serving us quite well, so any counter argument better be rock solid.

I'd be curious what your specific complaint is and how you back it up.

[taxicabjesus]

In the United States, "modern medicine" is sometimes a jobs project or wealth transfer scheme. Sometimes people are helped.

I found a neat link a year ago about how the medical system happily pays for fabulously-expensive interventions, but won't pay for things patients actually need: "Which Interventions Can Be Paid For: The Explanatory Power of 'Prasad’s Law'"- https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21728864

[oblio]

The grand parent post wasn't commenting about the US, it was commenting about Europe:

> Right now, the pharma/medical industries are all-powerful. Can't do anything significant without them involved, and if your doctors turn out to be idiots with a degree, well you're shit out of luck, especially in Europe, where the holy universal healthcare can not be questioned.

Where such abuses are rarer. The US healthcare system is broken, at least keep an eye on what other countries are doing. If say, Iceland, Germany, Italy, Japan start vaccinating, maybe it's time to get vaccinated ;-)