[dvt]

> But they were just announced, why the hell would you assume that they are any good at all?

I'm not an Apple fanboy, but people said the exact same thing about the M1, which basically blew everyone away. So the track record pretty heavily favors Apple here.

[ctvo]

What an odd comment.

Because Apple released a product recently that received excellent reviews, all Apple products are assumed to be good? All Apple products come out of the unit that produces their processors. All Apple products are owned by the teams responsible for their Macbook / Airbook lines. All Apple products can achieve whatever innovations that occurred with the M1 chip.

[dvt]

> all Apple products are assumed to be good

I don't think I said that, just that their recent track record favors them. The M1 and the new iPhone 11 were very warmly received.

[ctvo]

I understood what you're trying to say. I still disagree.

The products and technologies involved are too different to take any goodwill and apply it universally. Even in the same product there are issues with subcomponents: The M1 is great, but the touchbar is still mostly useless and the keyboard only improved recently. How can we possibly say anything across products?

[henryteeare]

The new iPhone is the 12, just fyi.

Even though they were not as recent, I believe your argument would be more compelling if you used Apple's more similar products, e.g. AirPods Pro, or perhaps the latest watch.