[mattdm]

Fedora doesn't like to be put in that particular niche anyway. Yes, Fedora is fast moving and it is what Red Hat uses as the base for major releases, but we're more than "Redhat-unstable" in so many ways.

CentOS Stream will be the upstream for RHEL minor branch development. This is actually a huge thing that I think people are missing: previously, once branched from Fedora, RHEL development did not happen in the public eye. With Stream, it will. This is huge and awesome good news. However, that development will still be entirely Red Hat curated. This is different from Fedora, where we make community decisions with Red Hat's engineering input as a stakeholder but not the decider. (See for example btrfs as the default filesystem.)

[em500]

It might be "huge and awesome good news" if they keep both CentOS 8.x and CentOS Stream. But they're forcing Stream as a replacement, hence all the pushback. Let's be honest, most people just want to run a gratis released RHEL, not run their betas.

My guess is that Stream turned out way less popular than their sponsored hoped (who cares if it's developed in the public eye if it's entirely RH curated anyway). So CentOS 8.x had to die.

[macspoofing]

>This is huge and awesome good news.

So why the negativity at this "huge and awesome good news"?

[mattdm]

Change is scary.

[macspoofing]

Come on, be serious. You think people who standardized their infrastructure on CentOS 8 under the assumption that they will have 10 years of stable support, are negative about this because they are afraid of change?

And you know that's not the reason for the negativity, so I don't know why you're being so flippant about this. Nobody has a problem with the idea of 'CentOS 8 Stream'. They have a problem with this being the replacement to CentOS 8 Linux because it doesn't fulfill the same use-cases.

[mattdm]

In complete seriousness, I think there are three broad categories:

* Use cases which actually despite the fears will be covered just fine by Stream * Use cases which will be covered by the upcoming expanded no-cost/low-cost RHEL programs * Use cases which, yeah, aren't covered

It's my estimation that the first two are actually the vast majority. I don't mean to be flippant (it was a long day). understand that people who are mostly in the third case are angry and disappointed, but from what I've seen in talking to people both when Stream was launched and after this announcement, at least some large number who are worried that that's their situation are going to be actually getting something better when the dust settles.