[zepto]

No, both of you are lying.

I claimed your location wasn’t sent, because it isn’t. An anonymous location is being sent.

You claim it’s possible they could de-anonymize the location.

That may or not be true.

Claiming that they are de-anonymizing the data when you know you have no evidence to support the claim, is a lie.

If you or he can prove Apple is de-anonymizing location data to track people’s individual travel history, I will retract this statement and apologize.

You cannot, because there is no proof.

[lern_too_spel]

I never said that they were actively doing it for everybody, only that they can do it, and there is nothing in their privacy policy that prevents them from doing it. Your claim that I said otherwise is the lie. Your claim that sneak had been repeatedly told he was wrong is also a lie. You have repeatedly called me and sneak liars even though we have provided proof that you have simply not read. Will you apologize to both of us?

Note that Apple's location privacy is worse than every other platform with AGPS that I haye used, from Google, Amazon, Mozilla, and Microsoft. Each one correctly classifies this as a privacy setting and allows the user to opt out. Every single one also "anonymizes" their data collection for AGPS, but none of them are facile enough to say that there isn't a reduction in privacy for having it enabled.

[zepto]

You said sneak’s statement was correct.

Sneak said that they were recording people’s travel history, which is a lie.

You haven’t provided any such proof. All you have done is equate logging ip addresses with recording people’s travel history, which is false.

[lern_too_spel]

They are recording it. Whether they are querying it or not is another matter.

[zepto]

No, they are not recording your location or your “travel history”.

The best you can do is suggest that they might have the possibility of using geoIP to deduce locations from logs whose storage duration you do not know.

That simply isn’t the same thing.

If sneak were to have said something like this:

“Apple could be lying to us, and may in fact be using geoIP to deduce people’s location from IP addresses in their logs. I have no proof of this, but it is technically feasible, and I don’t trust them not to be doing it.”

I would not say they were lying. These are all true statements.

But to say “Apple is recoding your travel history” when really all you have is speculation about what is technically possible, is a lie.

[lern_too_spel]

> No, they are not recording your location or your “travel history”.

Another lie. They are recording your location. You already agreed to that except last time, you said it was "anonymized." Then you said that it was recorded but not queried. Now you're saying they're not recording it at all? Keep your facts straight.

The worst part is that you're paying for this abuse from Apple and then justifying it to others. Nobody else is falling for it.

[zepto]

You keep saying ‘Apple is recording your location’. You haven’t provided a single link to a single piece of evidence.

‘You already agreed to that except last time, you said it was "anonymized."’

If this is true you’ll be able to find a link to where I agree that Apple records your location.

As to me saying it’s anonymized. It’s not just me. Apple states that the location data is anonymized. I’m basing my statement on their published statements.

Do you claim that Apple is lying?