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If you are a heavy Java or OpenGL user, don’t buy a Mac.

If you are running a git server farm, don’t use macs. If you are a developer using Git, you’ll be just fine.

These just aren’t representative of most people’s experience.

It’s a lie to say the software is 30% slower.

It’s even a lie to say it’s 30% slower for an IntelliJ user.

It’s only 30% slower on a narrow benchmark.

YouTube videos, however many, are not a credible source of operating system performance claims. You can find YouTube videos supporting flat earth theories or that Obama is a lizard alien.

If you can’t find any article anywhere substantiating your claim, I think we can conclude that it’s not supported by evidence.

If it was that bad, a reputable site like ars, or anandtech would have shown it.

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> It’s a lie to say the software is 30% slower.

I gave you a source. The sluggishness is something I notice when I use MacOS.

> If it was that bad, a reputable site like ars, or anandtech would have shown it.

It is that bad. Hundreds of YouTubers have shown it, and you can do it yourself to confirm. I have friends who have iPhones. The launch times are noticeably slower.

I'll even give you my speculation for why this is the case in order of impact:

1. Android's zygote based process initialization.

2. Developers optimizing for the $50 Android phones in the long tail.

3. GC instead of ARC.

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Ok, so now we can see that you lied.

The software is not 30% slower.

There are a set of cold boot launch times which can be shown to be slower in a video, but this is not a metric of software performance nor does it impact users.

You’ve attempted to use a set of YouTube videos to justify a false statement.

As I have said before - if iOS was slower than Android you’d be able to find a reputable source to show it through analysis, not some staged YouTube videos looking for clicks.

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> The software is not 30% slower.

I showed you that it is, and you keep saying that it isn't. I even gave you some examples that are more than 100% slower.

> There are a set of cold boot launch times which can be shown to be slower in a video

That's what I said they were. You kept not believing me even though I showed proof. Now you say that it doesn't matter. It is in fact the biggest thing that matters for productivity apps, aside from UX, where Android wins by a bigger margin due to smart replies and other actions in notifications.

> You’ve attempted to use a set of YouTube videos to justify a false statement.

You keep saying that, but you've just agreed in this comment that my statement was wholly correct.

Get your fingers out of your ears.

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What you said is this: “Apple computers have always been slower and more expensive than their non-Apple counterparts, and this gap has been larger recently due to sourcing from the struggling CPU vendor and the struggling GPU vendor. Worse, the software adds a 30% performance penalty on top.”

This is a false statement. The YouTube videos do not change that.

Moving the goalposts to “the most important thing for productivity apps”, doesn’t change the original statement.

Taking aside the moved goalposts, even your new statement is false. Cold boot time for productivity apps is not the most important thing for productivity apps, since cold starting a regularly used app is rare.

The fact that you know these videos only show a rarely occurring situation, shows that you know you were lying when you made the original statement: “Worse, the software adds a 30% performance penalty on top”.

Also I said: “There are a set of cold boot launch times which can be shown to be slower in a video”

To which you said: “That's what I said they were.”

If this is true, you’ll be able to link to the comment where you said you were talking about cold boot launch times that precedes mine.

The pattern here is that you make a general statement which is completely false as written, and then attempt to change the goalposts and justify a much narrower statement that doesn’t actually support what you originally said.

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> This is a false statement. The YouTube videos do not change that.

I never said they did. Can you not read? How many straw men do I have to burn down to have a discussion with you? The substantiation comes from an article with benchmark results.

> Moving the goalposts to “the most important thing for productivity apps”, doesn’t change the original statement.

I made two separate claims: one that MacOS is slow and one that iOS is slow. There are two separate goal posts that I put up, and neither one has moved. It's like I'm arguing with a post.

> If this is true, you’ll be able to link to the comment where you said you were talking about cold boot launch times that precedes mine.

I said it is faster at launching apps to interactivity. This is for cold boot and not. The apps launched after the first in each video are long after cold boot.

Your reading ability is so low that it is useless to carry on a discussion with you. No wonder you use Apple products. You're the rube who actually believes Apple's marketing.

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> I made two separate claims: one that MacOS is slow and one that iOS is slow.

No. That’s a new statement you are making now.

You made this claim:

“The software adds a 30% performance penalty on top.”

Which is false, regardless of which platform you are talking about, and not supported by the links you shared, which in both cases were corner cases that cannot support a general claim like this.

As I have said before, if this claim were true, you’d be able to find a reputable source, e.g. Ars or Anandtech.

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Please stop replying with edits.

It creates a dishonest impression of the thread.