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by notreallytrue 2016 days ago
Please stop pretending that USA are not a violent country where mass shootings don't happen all the time

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_mass_shootings_in_th...

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Almost all of these look to be local-level disagreements or semi-organized crime, not radicalized teenagers on 8Chan.
They send hate letters to each other with stagecoach services?

The problem is that there is no such thing as "freedom of speech" it's BS, there is a right to have an opinion, but some opinions are crimes and should never become speech, let alone be public

Corollary: public speech must be granted to everyone, because it's in the US Constitution, but you should not use it to badmouth the US

but some opinions are crimes

No. The US does not criminalize thought, and doing so would be tyranny.

you should not use it to badmouth the US

Also No. The very purpose of freedom of speech and the press is to maintain channels for criticism and change.

> some opinions are crimes and should never become speech

Hard disagree here. Unless you're using some definition of crime I've never heard of, opinions can never be crimes in the US.

Even the advocacy of violence is constitutionally protected speech here.

OP never said he pretends that USA are not a violent country where mass shootings don't happen all the time. OP implied that young adults PLANNING mass shootings on the INTERNET is miniscule.
Are you sure?

Looks like 99% of the mass shootings are organized by young people and 99% of them happens in the US (in the west)

What website should we block if we want to avoid another Boston Marathon bombing or men running trucks over people in Christmas markets like in Berlin?

(I just realized that both happened mere blocks of my residence at the time. Maybe if I become homeless we will be able to prevent these horrific events)

> I just realized that both happened mere blocks of my residence at the time.

So you didn't notice they happened blocks away from you when they happened?

I mean I realized that both examples that came to my mind were the ones that I had physical proximity.
Yeah, sorry, it's a fair enough way of phrasing it, I just thought the implication of it was funny.
Let's start with Facebook and Twitter that are cancerous and see what happens...

> men running trucks over people in Christmas markets like in Berlin?

This is one of those events that we can consider extremely rare.

Nobody can prevent the actions of some lone wolf

So rare that a very similar one happened in the French Riviera just some months after?

Anyway, the point is that we can not solve social issues with technological solutions. You are just acting on the symptoms but still never going to get a cure. Block a "cancerous" open site, and crazy sick people are just continue to do what they do in a darker corner of the net.

Yes, rare.

Like a few times in a century, not hundreds times in a year, every year, sir.

Closing social networks is not a technological solution, it's political.

Public speech must not be controlled by private entities

Unless you are the US and don't understand it.

Crazy people with their forums for crazy people have no ability to target hundreds of millions of people through paid ads

Please, try to understand it, because it's really not that hard

There's a reason why every developed country in the World strictly controls firearms but not knifes

There's a reason why the only "developed" country where mass shootings happen all the time is the only developed country that refuses to strictly control firearms

It's the most evident proof of Einstein law of insanity

Again, OP didn't argue against that argument. What OP implied is that young adults PLANNING mass shootings on the INTERNET is miniscule.

In other words, he's not arguing against the claim that a lot of mass shootings are organized by young people and that most of them happens in the Us.

He's saying that young adult planning those attacks on the internet is miniscule.

> mass shootings on the INTERNET is miniscule.

It is not

Unless you have proof that they only talk in person and through rotary phones

480 deaths in a year in a country of 350M isn't a lot, and doesn't make a place "a violent country".

Being killed in a mass shooting in the US is only approximately one order of magnitude more likely than getting struck and killed by lighting in the US.