[chrisseaton]

> Then the work doesn't get completed on time!

Do you realise in some fields work not getting completed on time could in some cases cause people to die?

Sometimes there is an emergency, and a professional saying 'sorry nope on vacation your fault for not having enough people to cover every eventuality' just isn't reasonable.

[Majestic121]

> Do you realise in some fields work not getting completed on time could in some cases cause people to die?

I'm sure there are jobs where this is true. I'm also sure it's not for 99.9% of people here.

[CalRobert]

It is reasonable. The buck stops somewhere. If you're on call sure but there are rules around that.

Don't guilt people who happen to have lifesaving jobs for taking vacations.

[chrisseaton]

> Don't guilt people who happen to have lifesaving jobs for taking vacations.

In many cases taking that job means accepting you may be forced to come in and work. Often called 'unlimited liability' for example. If you can't accept that, then leave the job to someone who can.

> The buck stops somewhere.

In this case apparently it's fine for it to stop with a dead person.

[notreallytrue]

> In this case apparently it's fine for it to stop with a dead person.

People that do a job where they can save lives accept the fact that saving lives is not granted.

People don't die because someone is slacking.

Do you realize how stupid that sounds?

[chrisseaton]

> People don't die because someone is slacking.

Not sure where you read this argument?

[notreallytrue]

That's a terrible apology...

Free time is a right

If someone dies during your free time it's not your responsibility

Besides: US have the worst life expectation of the whole west.

You should ask yourself why.

[chrisseaton]

> That's a terrible apology...

I'm not apologising for anything. I never said anything about 'slacking'? Just confused where you got this idea.

> If someone dies during your free time it's not your responsibility

This isn't reality - look at how people criticise presidents who are golfing during a national crisis where people are dying.

> US have the worst life expectation of the whole west

This article is about the EU isn't it? What's the US got to do with it?

> You should ask yourself why.

I don't know why the US does anything. Why do I need to explain it?

[aranelsurion]

Sounds like a poorly built strawman you have there.

How often do you believe people get asked to work extra hours to save lives in imminent danger? 1 in 10000?

This law would cover other 9999 cases.

[theshrike79]

If there is an actual emergency, there are clear rules of escalation.

The issue is escalated through different support levels up to the on-call person, if they can't handle it then MAYBE people are bothered during their vacation.

Or if production breaks at 1600 on a friday night, I can maybe work extra hours to solve the issue if it looks like I'm essential to solving it. It just means that I'm coming later on monday to make up for the hours.

[dbetteridge]

Of course its reasonable...

It may not be the decision people will make, it may be an ethical quagmire etc etc but you can't just expect people to keep working past their limits forever.

There need to be reasonable bounds.

[notreallytrue]

> Do you realise in some fields work not getting completed on time could in some cases cause people to die?

It doesn't work like that.

> Sometimes there is an emergency, and a professional saying 'sorry nope on vacation

Why are they relying on someone that is on vacation in the first place?

Are firemen supposed to not go on holiday ever during their work life?

That's simply the symptom of very bad management and on a larger scale of a very disfunctional society.

[chrisseaton]

> Why are they relying on someone that is on vacation in the first place?

Sometimes there are only so many people who can solve a problem and society can't afford to have an excess number of them sitting around doing nothing in case there is an emergency.

> Are firemen supposed to not go on holiday ever during their work life?

Firemen, police, politicians, military, are all subject to getting recalled from leave if there is an emergency and they are needed to prevent life being lost. Nobody ever said they can't ever go on leave.

> That's simply the symptom of very bad management

No it's reality!

Look at how many people criticise presidents who are 'golfing' when there is a crisis and life is being lost.

Some people just need to be able to respond no matter what.

[notreallytrue]

> Sometimes there are only so many people who can solve a problem

That's a very small subset of the entire workforce.

Maybe one in a million or less

> No it's reality!

It's not.

> Look at how many people criticise presidents who are 'golfing' when there is a crisis and life is being lost.

They are right.

The president is not a salaried worker, it's the president.

[chrisseaton]

> The president is not a salaried worker, it's the president.

He works. He draws a salary. What do you think the difference is?

Why can't the Vice President delegate out of hours? Because that's not realistic? Well there you go... sometimes it's not realistic.

[notreallytrue]

> He works. He draws a salary. What do you think the difference is?

Well... Let's say that if I have to explain it too you, we have bigger issues to solve first.

> Why can't the Vice President delegate out of hour

Because that's not how it works

By the law

[chrisseaton]

That's not how it works.. and that's the law... because it's not reasonable for some people to not respond out of hours.

Applies for ordinary people as well - such as soldiers and police who are liable for recall at any time.