[free2OSS]

Email is the tightest grip Google has on me. Maybe YouTube.

But their Google music fail, their rising phone prices, their bait and switch photo storage, and low quality search results have caused me to change.

Any alternatives to Chrome, Firefox on both Android and Desktop are buggy, I want a different company?

[int_19h]

If you're okay with Blink under the hood, take a look at Vivaldi. It's made by some of the same people who did the original Opera, and is very much in the same spirit - instead of the modern trend of bare-bones browser + third-party extensions, it comes with "batteries included".

[_hyn3]

Sadly, Vivaldi was sold a few years ago and no longer seems the ideal choice if you're focused on privacy and security.

https://www.reddit.com/r/brave_browser/comments/iq33nv/brave...

When it was launched a year or two ago, Brave didn't integrate with the Chrome extension web store, but now it does (just like Vivaldi). Of course, also like Vivaldi, you may not need another adblocker since Brave has "shields" which are very easy to enable/disable (but it works fine if you install ublock origin, privacy badger, quick JS switcher, etc.)

[rasz]

You have mistaken Vivaldi for Opera.

Opera was sold to Chinese investment fund, they are scamming short term loans in Africa now.

Vivaldi was created by old Opera exec with same goals as old Opera. Their problem is not being scammy, neither is privacy. Their biggest problems are code quality - UI in javascript is sloow, closing tabs or fullscreening youtube video takes one full second. Then there is culture of secrecy - pretending open source by dumping uncompilable tar.bz2 code shreds from time to time and keeping bug tracker behind closed doors in order to not show how (not) many people work on it and what bugs they ignore for years.

[_hyn3]

Ok, that's fair, thanks for pointing it out, but I thought also that Vivaldi also had part Chinese ownership.

There's also this: https://vivaldi.com/blog/vivaldi-browser-open-source/

[kmonsen]

+1 for Vivaldi. I can promise you the people behind it just want to make a great browser.

[square_usual]

I tried Vivaldi for a long time, but a couple of things drew me back to Firefox eventually. The biggest problem was that it kept signing me out of Google for some reason. I've seen threads about this elsewhere, so I'm not the only person facing it. Then, the containers feature in Firefox was very useful as I have multiple "identities" in different spaces, so I could isolate them in their own containers to prevent spillover.